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Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:09

glitterpaperchain · 30/04/2026 18:41

People just don't think it's an example of police brutality.

This is what you said

And you thought that meant that I thought literally no-one thinks it's police brutality? Reading my post in the context of what I was replying to? God help us.

DrinkPupKitDrink · 30/04/2026 20:10

mumofoneAloneandwell · 30/04/2026 18:08

This is a really serious matter so i'll leave it at this:

Should an unwell Jewish man, angry at how British Jews have been treated, like most of us normal people, 'decides to go and do something about it' at attack someone black or asian -

You would stay quiet should two black/Asian officers kick him in the head and face???

You would applaud this behaviour as part of justice???

Because I dont think you would, I think that the thread would be very different.

What this disgusting man did to two innocent men, one brave man named Shloime, is unforgivable.

Yes he is mentally ill, thats what is often behind these kinds of things, but he is also a hateful bigot. But nobody in police custody or being arrested needed to be kicked in the head like that, by police. Thats insane and unlawful.

The police officers imo are racist and behaved appallingly. The man is guilty of a hate crime, if not a terror offense and will be sentenced to Life, as he should be.

My heart is with the Shloime and the other man, the Jewish community-who are normal good people, and noone else.

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My heart is with the Shloime and the other man, the Jewish community-who are normal good people, and noone else.

And the Green party's heart is with the violent terrorist. What David or is he called Zack did is clever and evil, yes. He hijacked sympathy form those who deserve it. He will be much hated by his fellow Jews and loved by Muslim extremists. Shame but some are like that, yes much like Farage and Trump, no morals and no dignity.

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:10

NoisyHiker · 30/04/2026 20:04

Did you watch with your eyes?

Sorry, I'm a little confused by what you mean? If you've a moment, perhaps you could elaborate. Thanks.

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:10

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:02

I watched the video and there was no need for multiple officers to repeatedly kick someone they'd already apprehended, irrespective of the crime. The Met releasing their own body cam footage which doesn't paint the full picture, indicates to me they are aware bystander footage shows them in a very poor light and they're trying to reclaim the narrative.

He hadn't been apprehended, he was still armed, he wasn't showing his hands, he wasn't cooperating, and there was every chance he had an explosive. Those men risked their lives and limbs to protect people by neutralising the threat as fast as possible while keeping their hands free. It's reasonable force, not minimal force, and no it's not pretty, but it's necessary, legal and better than racist mad knifemen on the loose.

"Reclaim the narrative" is meaningless bollocks.

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:12

EasternStandard · 30/04/2026 19:52

Thanks for this. It’s easy for posters in comfort to say they could deal with a terrorist incident better but reading that letter I hope the police keep turning up that quickly. Especially now the threat level is severe.

Their lack of imagination is mind-boggling. I hope it's naivity, the alternatives are not as nice.

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 20:12

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Hoardasurass · 30/04/2026 20:12

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:02

I watched the video and there was no need for multiple officers to repeatedly kick someone they'd already apprehended, irrespective of the crime. The Met releasing their own body cam footage which doesn't paint the full picture, indicates to me they are aware bystander footage shows them in a very poor light and they're trying to reclaim the narrative.

This is getting tiresome now.
He was not apprehended when he was kicked he was still armed and resisting arrest after having been tasered.
Thr bystander video shows tge police in a good light using standard tactics for dealing with an armed assailent who may have had a suicide vest.
The only people who are trying to create/change the narrative are those who are defending the terrorist.
Please stop spreading misinformation

ShermanMcCoy · 30/04/2026 20:13

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:10

He hadn't been apprehended, he was still armed, he wasn't showing his hands, he wasn't cooperating, and there was every chance he had an explosive. Those men risked their lives and limbs to protect people by neutralising the threat as fast as possible while keeping their hands free. It's reasonable force, not minimal force, and no it's not pretty, but it's necessary, legal and better than racist mad knifemen on the loose.

"Reclaim the narrative" is meaningless bollocks.

100%

And had it been a Jew attacking, say, a Muslim, these same complainants would be berating the police for not permanently neutralising the attacker.

They’re sick people.

DrinkPupKitDrink · 30/04/2026 20:13

@BIossomtoes Brownshirts👋

ShermanMcCoy · 30/04/2026 20:14

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There’s a shed load of assumptions in your post….

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 20:15

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Well luckily I’d never go round stabbing Jewish people. If I did, I wouldn’t blame anyone for doing anything to stop me attacking more people.

I'm starting to wonder why people think criticising police for performing their duty is more important than than praising them for stopping the terrorist killing Jews.

Clavinova · 30/04/2026 20:15

Lalgarh · 30/04/2026 19:09

Polanski has claimed he models himself on Farage for his populism and admirers as an eco populist.

Although the amount of manifesting with ZP who's said he was bullied at school for being Jewish with Farage who was accused of horrendous anti semitism at school seems...a bit... Freudian?

Guess which one of them visited Golders Green today

ZP who's said he was bullied at school for being Jewish

Something to add to the mix although barely believable (I've just found this interview in the Guardian);

at school he was bullied after being caught snogging in a nightclub. “My first kiss was with a young Muslim man called Jihad when I was 14.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/07/am-i-at-peak-popularity-i-hope-not-on-the-road-with-zack-polanski-from-protest-to-podcast-to-heaven-nightclub

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:16

MulberryBrandy · 30/04/2026 20:06

I have to disagree with you. However, I do agree with Sir Mark Rowley: the right approach was not to inflame, tensions further by "amplifying more 'us and them rhetoric'".

I respect your right to disagree. For me the crime is largely irrelevant. I think once someone is apprehended - and I do believe he was - then it is unnecessary to escalate violence for violence's sake. I think the letter was also an exercise in optics.

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:16

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This is seriously your response to an anti-semitic terrorist attack? Seriously?

PlumPuddingandGravy · 30/04/2026 20:17

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Seriously, have a word with yourself.

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:18

Imagine risking your life to apprehend a racist knifeman who'd just tried to kill people and was a clear and immediate threat, and then being subjected to people wibbling on about "reclaiming the narrative" and "stamp on the wrists he had tucked under his body".

PropertyD · 30/04/2026 20:18

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:02

I watched the video and there was no need for multiple officers to repeatedly kick someone they'd already apprehended, irrespective of the crime. The Met releasing their own body cam footage which doesn't paint the full picture, indicates to me they are aware bystander footage shows them in a very poor light and they're trying to reclaim the narrative.

You clearly didnt watch it! This terrorist clutched his knife to his chest and wouldn’t let it go.

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 20:19

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glitterpaperchain · 30/04/2026 20:19

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:09

And you thought that meant that I thought literally no-one thinks it's police brutality? Reading my post in the context of what I was replying to? God help us.

...yes I thought you saying people don't think it's police brutality meant you thought people don't think it's police brutality 😂

What was your point then??

BIossomtoes · 30/04/2026 20:20

DrinkPupKitDrink · 30/04/2026 20:13

@BIossomtoes Brownshirts👋

What? 😳

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:20

Btw, I really hope @ClaireByrne1987 's post doesn't get deleted, because it sets out quite clearly how some people think, but always deny. Good to see the truth and not some mealy-mouthed "oh I'm an anti Zionist, not anti- semitic!"

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:21

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:10

He hadn't been apprehended, he was still armed, he wasn't showing his hands, he wasn't cooperating, and there was every chance he had an explosive. Those men risked their lives and limbs to protect people by neutralising the threat as fast as possible while keeping their hands free. It's reasonable force, not minimal force, and no it's not pretty, but it's necessary, legal and better than racist mad knifemen on the loose.

"Reclaim the narrative" is meaningless bollocks.

Then why have they only released a video which doesn't show them kicking him? That's unusual. The police wouldn't normally do that at this juncture. He hasn't even been charged. They realised how it looked. People would question why a man was being booted in the head when he was lying on the ground. And, let's be honest, the Met doesn't have the best reputation.

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 20:22

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Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:22

glitterpaperchain · 30/04/2026 20:19

...yes I thought you saying people don't think it's police brutality meant you thought people don't think it's police brutality 😂

What was your point then??

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It's like arguing with a brick wall. If you didn't understand what I was saying, that is, frankly, your problem.

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:22

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What a steaming pile of Hotspur. It's not even true; Shomrim and Hatzola serve the general community, they're like St John's Ambulance, in fact it seems the knifeman was assisted by Hatzola after he was disarmed and apprehended. Can't you do better?

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