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MulberryBrandy · 30/04/2026 20:22

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:16

I respect your right to disagree. For me the crime is largely irrelevant. I think once someone is apprehended - and I do believe he was - then it is unnecessary to escalate violence for violence's sake. I think the letter was also an exercise in optics.

All right thanks. The crucial part here, for me, is that he was not effectively apprehended at that stage. The two police officers worked together to try to disarm him. When he would not let go of the knife they kicked him. One of them then clearly communicated to the other that the knife was now released. They then told him why they were arresting him.

I am reporting the facts as I have seen them on the video on the BBC news page.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 30/04/2026 20:22

JHound · 30/04/2026 18:07

I have not followed this story but there does seem to be a spate of murders recently committed by mentally ill men and I wonder how they got to such an extreme level and how are our mental health services so broken that they cannot act until after the fact.

Although there is only so much they can do. How do we avoid people reaching that state?

The likelihood is that they arrive here ‘in that state’.

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:25

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:20

Btw, I really hope @ClaireByrne1987 's post doesn't get deleted, because it sets out quite clearly how some people think, but always deny. Good to see the truth and not some mealy-mouthed "oh I'm an anti Zionist, not anti- semitic!"

I don't know, I think the Greens are demonstrating modern antisemitism quite nicely and I don't think Jewish posters should have to be subjected to that rancid bollocks on here too. What's most ridiculous, the idea that people understand reasonable force because they're silly racist povvos, or the plain lie that Hatzolah and Shomrim don't serve the wider community? Extra points for the pompous tone, I guess, that much at least is funny.

Hoardasurass · 30/04/2026 20:27

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The Hatzola are a Jewish charity that BOUGHT their own ambulances and fund the cost of running the service themselves and they serve the local population regardless of their faith.
So no the Jewish community were not gifted a private ambulance service nor are they given any of the other so called privalliges that you claim.

glitterpaperchain · 30/04/2026 20:28

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:22

It's like arguing with a brick wall. If you didn't understand what I was saying, that is, frankly, your problem.

I said it's possible for people to both condemn police brutality AND the terrorism, because OP was saying that means you must hate Jews.

Then you popped up and said that most people don't think there was police brutality. Ok?? I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about the people who DO think that. Like the people on this thread who OP has said it must mean they hate Jews. What point are you trying to make?

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:28

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:25

I don't know, I think the Greens are demonstrating modern antisemitism quite nicely and I don't think Jewish posters should have to be subjected to that rancid bollocks on here too. What's most ridiculous, the idea that people understand reasonable force because they're silly racist povvos, or the plain lie that Hatzolah and Shomrim don't serve the wider community? Extra points for the pompous tone, I guess, that much at least is funny.

Fair enough, I see your point. I'm just sick of people on MN insisted they're not racist, just anti Israel, and it's so rare for one of them to actually be honest.

EasternStandard · 30/04/2026 20:28

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:18

Imagine risking your life to apprehend a racist knifeman who'd just tried to kill people and was a clear and immediate threat, and then being subjected to people wibbling on about "reclaiming the narrative" and "stamp on the wrists he had tucked under his body".

Yep. At some point they might not bother. It’s lucky they do.

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 20:29

"Shomrim and Hatzola serve the general community, they're like St John's Ambulance"

It depends on what you mean by "the general community". You mean "the general community" in those parts of London which have a significant Jewish population? So those parts get extra NHS funded ambulances that are taken away from the London ambulance service that serves all of London?

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:29

ShermanMcCoy · 30/04/2026 20:08

Let’s hope one of your loved ones never comes into harms way….

What a very strange and peculiarly cruel thing to say. Multiple things can be true at once: that he needed to be apprehended, that I have sympathy for the victims and that I think the police used excessive force.

Squidgoals · 30/04/2026 20:30

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Wait what?? Are you seriously saying this stuff like you believe it?
The ambulances you speak of are paid for with charitable donations, operated by volunteers, and provide an ambulance service to everyone in the entire area, not just for Jews.
Everything else in your post is on the exact same level of stupid hateful made up bullshit as what you say about the Hatzalah

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:30

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:21

Then why have they only released a video which doesn't show them kicking him? That's unusual. The police wouldn't normally do that at this juncture. He hasn't even been charged. They realised how it looked. People would question why a man was being booted in the head when he was lying on the ground. And, let's be honest, the Met doesn't have the best reputation.

Do you know... I actually started to respond to this, initially by explaining what body cam footage actually is, and the perspective it shows, and how nobody but nobody denies he was kicked in the head and then I realised... whether it's intentional or not, it's clear you either cannot or will not understand the concepts necessary for the conversation. Luckily, the officers understood a hulking great terrorist threat when they encountered one and they would have protected you too.

oopsBSoD · 30/04/2026 20:30

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And people like to pretend there's no antisenitism on mumsnet.

Hoardasurass · 30/04/2026 20:32

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:16

I respect your right to disagree. For me the crime is largely irrelevant. I think once someone is apprehended - and I do believe he was - then it is unnecessary to escalate violence for violence's sake. I think the letter was also an exercise in optics.

What you believe is irrelevant in this case as the man was still armed at the time he was kicked so he could not have been apprehended.
The met were forced to put out the letter because of people like you willfully spreading misinformation and outright lies

DrinkPupKitDrink · 30/04/2026 20:33

MulberryBrandy · 30/04/2026 20:22

All right thanks. The crucial part here, for me, is that he was not effectively apprehended at that stage. The two police officers worked together to try to disarm him. When he would not let go of the knife they kicked him. One of them then clearly communicated to the other that the knife was now released. They then told him why they were arresting him.

I am reporting the facts as I have seen them on the video on the BBC news page.

Thank you for reporting the facts, it's important.

Anyways, posters gonna post inflammatory nonsense on this topic and the Green Party leader is directly and personally responsible for creating this latest bit of social tension and division, what a total and utter Trumpian plonker.

Luckily this unfit looking terrorist failed in his mission to seriously injure or kill so he is not only delulu but also useless.

The main thing for now is that this hobby extremist is off our streets and we have the London police to thank for that. All is well that ends well.

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:33

ClaireByrne1987 · 30/04/2026 20:29

"Shomrim and Hatzola serve the general community, they're like St John's Ambulance"

It depends on what you mean by "the general community". You mean "the general community" in those parts of London which have a significant Jewish population? So those parts get extra NHS funded ambulances that are taken away from the London ambulance service that serves all of London?

The parts of London where they're bloody sited! And given they're funded and run by Jewish communities, yeah, that's probably where you'll find them!

Jesus, Mary, Joseph and other famous Jews... this is the shite they've got to put up with? They set up community services and get attacked for not setting them up 50 miles away where they've got no people?

What the hell is this?

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:34

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:30

Do you know... I actually started to respond to this, initially by explaining what body cam footage actually is, and the perspective it shows, and how nobody but nobody denies he was kicked in the head and then I realised... whether it's intentional or not, it's clear you either cannot or will not understand the concepts necessary for the conversation. Luckily, the officers understood a hulking great terrorist threat when they encountered one and they would have protected you too.

Yes, I understand what it is. But it's unusual for it to be released before they've even charged anyone.

Allisnotlost1 · 30/04/2026 20:34

OrangeAxolotyl · 30/04/2026 18:41

I was being sincere.
You know that. You're making up accusations

This thread is moving quickly, and I understand that perhaps you're not quite understanding things which are being said., so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Just take a bit more time to read what is written.
Not what you imagine.

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Don’t patronise me. I don’t know you at all, I understood the words you wrote. I don’t need your benefit of the doubt, and you won’t be getting mine. Disgusting thing to say and you try to defend it yet again.

Some of us live in fear of this happening to us or our loved ones, we don’t need your insincere ‘ooh, hope it doesn’t because then you’d learn’ if we don’t agree with you.

The thread is moving fast so perhaps you missed that I don’t agree with ZP, but I’ve managed to articulate that without slyly wishing harm on him.

NoisyHiker · 30/04/2026 20:34

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:10

Sorry, I'm a little confused by what you mean? If you've a moment, perhaps you could elaborate. Thanks.

Oh I'm so sorry, I will of course elaborate.

I was checking that you had watched with your eyes, and not any other orifices by mistake.

Because your eyes would have shown you a terrorist who was still armed. And an armed offender is in no way detained.

Should they have asked him nicely to please drop the knife he was refusing to give up, and had been trying to stab them with moments before?

EasternStandard · 30/04/2026 20:35

Hoardasurass · 30/04/2026 20:32

What you believe is irrelevant in this case as the man was still armed at the time he was kicked so he could not have been apprehended.
The met were forced to put out the letter because of people like you willfully spreading misinformation and outright lies

Yes agree. Unless posters are ready to offer better services in a severe threat environment stop making it harder for those who do keep people safer.

Noodledog · 30/04/2026 20:35

glitterpaperchain · 30/04/2026 20:28

I said it's possible for people to both condemn police brutality AND the terrorism, because OP was saying that means you must hate Jews.

Then you popped up and said that most people don't think there was police brutality. Ok?? I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about the people who DO think that. Like the people on this thread who OP has said it must mean they hate Jews. What point are you trying to make?

You were in despair at the lack of nuance on MN because people you disagree with on the thread were, in your opinion, incapable of being against police brutality and against terrorist attacks . I was just pointing out that most people are against police brutality, and many of us have seen the video of the terrorist being subdued and don't think there was any brutality. So there is no lack of nuance.

Look, clearly you're very pro Zack Polanski, which is entirely your prerogative, but if you don't understand the pretty basic point I was trying to make, I think we might as well call it a day on the discussion.

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:35

EasternStandard · 30/04/2026 20:28

Yep. At some point they might not bother. It’s lucky they do.

Couldn't blame Hatzolah if they did the same. Now we've got people demanding to know why a service run and funded by the Jewish community doesn't operate where there's no Jewish community? How do you communicate with these people? What frequency are they on? Is there actually any point engaging?

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:36

NoisyHiker · 30/04/2026 20:34

Oh I'm so sorry, I will of course elaborate.

I was checking that you had watched with your eyes, and not any other orifices by mistake.

Because your eyes would have shown you a terrorist who was still armed. And an armed offender is in no way detained.

Should they have asked him nicely to please drop the knife he was refusing to give up, and had been trying to stab them with moments before?

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I was a little confused. Yes, I can confirm I watched with my eyes.

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 20:39

CatherineRachel16 · 30/04/2026 20:34

Yes, I understand what it is. But it's unusual for it to be released before they've even charged anyone.

Do you know something... I'm done with you people. I'm still kind of agog at that astonishingly antisemitic and factually inaccurate "povvos outside London" post a page or two back, and whoever it was who's now casting aspersions on an ambulance service that's provided by the Jewish community because it doesn't run in the fucking Hebrides or something.

Let's just say, you are not Hercule Poirot with this comment. You just... are not.

OrangeAxolotyl · 30/04/2026 20:40

Allisnotlost1 · 30/04/2026 20:34

Don’t patronise me. I don’t know you at all, I understood the words you wrote. I don’t need your benefit of the doubt, and you won’t be getting mine. Disgusting thing to say and you try to defend it yet again.

Some of us live in fear of this happening to us or our loved ones, we don’t need your insincere ‘ooh, hope it doesn’t because then you’d learn’ if we don’t agree with you.

The thread is moving fast so perhaps you missed that I don’t agree with ZP, but I’ve managed to articulate that without slyly wishing harm on him.

I'm very glad that you don't wish him harm.
In your somewhat vivid imagination you think that I do.
You are quite wrong.
I do not. I hope that sentence is clear 🤞
Imagine if everyone thought the worst of others on here, and created an alternative reality!
That would be very silly.!
I hope these sentences are very clear 😊

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