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tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:18

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:16

It is.

No, it’s not.

Other than the fact that prisoner on prison violence is nothing to be celebrated because it points to a complete failing in our prison system, it’s absolutely not an equivalent comparison.

BIossomtoes · 30/04/2026 17:18

Therescathairinmybath · 30/04/2026 17:16

More brutal than stabbing 2 innocent strangers and attempting to stab a policeman? They used proportional force to stop him.

It’s not a competition. Both are brutal. And it wasn’t proportionate, he could easily have died and the kicker would be facing a murder charge.

Therescathairinmybath · 30/04/2026 17:18

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:17

So surely incapacitating his upper body and arms is more efffctive than kicking him in the head?

They couldn’t get to his arms while he was holding a knife

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 17:19

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:17

Not kick him in the fucking head?

No the question is “what would you have done?”

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:19

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 17:18

Why do you keep harping on about excessive force? Can you clearly state you legal argument (including witness statements) of why this was “excessive” if you can’t maybe move on

He was on the floor. He was not able to continue his attack. Kicking him in the head did nothing to de-escalate the situation. It could well be GBH with intent, s.18.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/04/2026 17:19

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:14

He was on the floor and the threat was neutralised. Why are you attempting to justify excessive force? We should never, ever stand for it. Especially not from our police. The best thing about our police forces are that after every incident of discharging a firearm it’s reviewed by an independent panel - to keep them in check. Kicking them in the head was just unnecessary and not what I want to see from our police at all. You can praise them for stopping the attack and also say “actually mate kicking someone in the head isn’t right”.

He wasn’t.

He still had the knife.

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:19

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 17:19

No the question is “what would you have done?”

And my answer is I wouldn’t have kicked him in the head.

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:19

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/04/2026 17:19

He wasn’t.

He still had the knife.

He was unable to use it.

EasternStandard · 30/04/2026 17:20

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:17

Not kick him in the fucking head?

And do what instead?

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 17:20

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:19

He was on the floor. He was not able to continue his attack. Kicking him in the head did nothing to de-escalate the situation. It could well be GBH with intent, s.18.

No, he could have easily continued the attack.

Why are you so desperate to m as me an anti Semitic terrorist who had no issue stabbing people a victim?

TheKittenswithMittens · 30/04/2026 17:21

According to Twitter, the perp stabbed 2 police officers and a police dog in 2008.

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 17:21

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:18

No, it’s not.

Other than the fact that prisoner on prison violence is nothing to be celebrated because it points to a complete failing in our prison system, it’s absolutely not an equivalent comparison.

But nobody cares.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 30/04/2026 17:21

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:19

He was unable to use it.

Except he clearly had intention of using it again as he would not give it up.

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 17:21

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:19

He was unable to use it.

Why??? How do you know that? How do you know he didn’t have a gun or suicide vest hidden

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/04/2026 17:22

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:19

He was unable to use it.

You don’t know that.

He’s a danger while he still has his weapon.

He could have discarded the knife when ordered. He didn’t.

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:22

TheKittenswithMittens · 30/04/2026 17:21

According to Twitter, the perp stabbed 2 police officers and a police dog in 2008.

Did the police know that?

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:22

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 17:20

No, he could have easily continued the attack.

Why are you so desperate to m as me an anti Semitic terrorist who had no issue stabbing people a victim?

if he could, the police had evidently failed at neutralising the situation and further violence wouldn’t do anything to the situation.

I’ve not actually mentioned the perpetrator at all, as I think he’s disgusting and not worth the energy it would take for me to think of him. What I have done is say I do not want a police force that feels increasingly comfortable with using excessive force. That’s how you end up with a police force like the one in America, where they have police officers who feel comfortable shooting people at a traffic stop.

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:23

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 17:21

Why??? How do you know that? How do you know he didn’t have a gun or suicide vest hidden

Hypotheticals now. If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.

Marble10 · 30/04/2026 17:23

ZP is a terrorist supporter

Obviously the police should have kindly asked him and he would have obeyed according to some of these replies 🧐

Hoardasurass · 30/04/2026 17:25

nomas · 30/04/2026 16:33

The exact training for this event is to secure the upper body, which they can do because his hands were under his stomach.

The police are literally trained for this.

Not when they are dealing with a armed terrorist who could have a suicide vest on.

This is not like the case @BIossomtoes linked to which was 2 unarmed violent twats, which btw the officers were found to have used reasonable force, but an armed active terrorist who was refusing to let go of his weapon and was actively resisting arrest, so if the 1st set of officers were found to have used reasonable force by kicking the thugs at Manchester Airport then its absolutely clear that kicking an armed active terrorist in the head is 100% reasonable force

EasternStandard · 30/04/2026 17:25

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:23

Hypotheticals now. If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.

Well yeh since you wouldn’t know would you

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 30/04/2026 17:27

BIossomtoes · 30/04/2026 17:11

Kicking someone in the head is pretty brutal from where I’m sitting.

He could easily avoided any need to kick him in the head though.

You have remembered that he is a terrorist who armed himself and tried to kill people? He got up that morning and made his decisions - I really have no idea why you continue to criticise the police for doing a job. Imagine how you’d feel if he was coming for you.

nomas · 30/04/2026 17:28

Hoardasurass · 30/04/2026 17:25

Not when they are dealing with a armed terrorist who could have a suicide vest on.

This is not like the case @BIossomtoes linked to which was 2 unarmed violent twats, which btw the officers were found to have used reasonable force, but an armed active terrorist who was refusing to let go of his weapon and was actively resisting arrest, so if the 1st set of officers were found to have used reasonable force by kicking the thugs at Manchester Airport then its absolutely clear that kicking an armed active terrorist in the head is 100% reasonable force

So how does kicking him the head secure his hypothetical vest?

If you see the video, the kicking doesn't work, the officer ends up securing his arms.

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 17:29

EasternStandard · 30/04/2026 17:25

Well yeh since you wouldn’t know would you

I think you’re unable to have more than a surface level conversation about this.

The issue isn’t that the police stopped a terrorist. The issue is that they used excessive force once he was stopped.

If we live in a country where police are being encouraged to use potentially lethal levels of force (kicking someone in the head can quite easily kill them), and it’s normalised and celebrated, we will have a society where that level of force is normalised within the police force. If you get called evil, an anti semite, a “terrorist sympathiser” for pointing out that perhaps some of their actions were not the best, it plays into the hands of those officers who do want to use their position and abuse it.

We have seen multiple times that there are plenty of bad eggs in the police force (and I am not saying that these officers are “bad eggs”, before someone says that I am). If we normalise this, where does it end? A police officer pulling you out of your car and kicking you in the head because they can’t see your hands at a traffic stop? Police officers using their positions to abuse women, as has happened before?

This is a debate with layers to it but some people seem entirely unable to have that conversation.

OrangeAxolotyl · 30/04/2026 17:30

I really hope that neither Zack Polanski, nor his partner nor any of his loved ones are victims of a terrorist attack. It would be a tough lesson for him on the realities of policing.

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