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HRTQueen · 30/04/2026 16:18

Jean Charles de Menezes was shot as he was mistakenly identified

This was absolutely not the case yesterday

Hoardasurass · 30/04/2026 16:18

nomas · 30/04/2026 16:03

Kicking a prone suspect in the head is not part of their training.

When its an armed active assailant yes it is

tilyougetenough · 30/04/2026 16:20

YABU. We cannot allow our police to become as violent as they have in America.

RudolphTheReindeer · 30/04/2026 16:20

OrangeAxolotyl · 30/04/2026 16:13

We also live in a country where innocent Jews are now fearful of going about their daily lives, such is the escalation of hate against them.

And if two police officers get suspended/sacked for using excessive force there will be two less on patrol to protect them. How will that help anyone?

KTheGrey · 30/04/2026 16:21

Lifeomars · 30/04/2026 13:14

Taser him, if they had tasers of course. Kick him on other parts of the body and not the head, restrain him as they have no doubt been trained to do. I would prefer him not to be seriously injured so that he is fit to stand trial asap.

RTFT - people have repeatedly answered this.

Upstartled · 30/04/2026 16:22

RudolphTheReindeer · 30/04/2026 16:20

And if two police officers get suspended/sacked for using excessive force there will be two less on patrol to protect them. How will that help anyone?

Yes, two brave police officers willing to put themselves in harms way to keep the public safe.

ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 16:23

I don't think we'll be taking combat and defence advice from you. Have you explained yet how to stamp on someone's wrist when they're lying on their hands and refusing to show them? Or why them refusing to show their hands means there's no need to kick them in the head?

Whysnothingsimple · 30/04/2026 16:23

nomas · 30/04/2026 16:11

The next step is to secure his upper body, not kick him in the head.

We live in a country where the innocent Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead, it’s in all of our interests for police to follow their training properly.

Edited

Ah are you a police officer? Trained in these situations? How exactly would you hace secured his upper body??? Talk us through that step by step (bearing in mind he has just attacked people with a knife and attempted to stab 2 police and was refusing to give up his knife. Given his very large coat on a warm day the police would have had to consider the possibility of him wearing a suicide vest.

I’ll wait patiently whilst you try and make this antisemitic terrorist out to be a victim and the brave police officers who put their lives on the line undoubtedly saving lives of innocent people to be the baddies. The amazing mental gymnastics you need to do this should certainly be noticed by the Olympic squad.

PropertyD · 30/04/2026 16:23

It absolutely is necessary to get this man to drop his weapons or are some going to say he had MH issues so therefore should be treated differently.

Look at those poor students who were stabbed in Nottingham by someone with MH issues. I cannot believe some people on this thread (from the safety of their armchairs of course) commenting on what is and isnt necessary. The manic still had his knife and potentially a bomb of some sort. If your son was one of the police officers would your disgraceful comments be the same.

loislovesstewie · 30/04/2026 16:24

nomas · 30/04/2026 16:11

The next step is to secure his upper body, not kick him in the head.

We live in a country where the innocent Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead, it’s in all of our interests for police to follow their training properly.

Edited

He was on his front with his hand underneath his body, the police knew he had a knife but also thought he might have had a suicide belt. If he had that, then he could have activated it and blown them all to kingdom come. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, it's also marvelous not to have to make these sort of decisions, but to be armchair, keyboard warriors. I don't blame the police for kicking him. They did what they thought was best at the time. The better of 2 evils.

KTheGrey · 30/04/2026 16:24

And yet …

Zach Polanski is evil
OrangeAxolotyl · 30/04/2026 16:24

RudolphTheReindeer · 30/04/2026 16:20

And if two police officers get suspended/sacked for using excessive force there will be two less on patrol to protect them. How will that help anyone?

It won't help them at all.

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 16:25

OrangeAxolotyl · 30/04/2026 16:24

It won't help them at all.

It would help a certain group of people, a group that want to cause terror and death.

OP posts:
ThatCyanCat · 30/04/2026 16:25

KTheGrey · 30/04/2026 16:24

And yet …

Was just getting the screenshot. Thanks.

OrangeAxolotyl · 30/04/2026 16:26

Upstartled · 30/04/2026 16:22

Yes, two brave police officers willing to put themselves in harms way to keep the public safe.

Yes, they didn't know the situation, they could have been blown up. Plus it was on a busy suburban street, with members of the public nearby.

loislovesstewie · 30/04/2026 16:26

And the Jean Charles de Menezes shit show is not the same as this. That was incompetence from the top down. Just sheer incompetence.

EasternStandard · 30/04/2026 16:27

OrangeAxolotyl · 30/04/2026 16:26

Yes, they didn't know the situation, they could have been blown up. Plus it was on a busy suburban street, with members of the public nearby.

Yes how the pp are certain this wasn’t a possibility idk.

BellaBlackberry83 · 30/04/2026 16:27

People like ZP and others in this thread complaining about use of force in this scenario might find that their complaints have entirely the opposite effect of the one intended.

The standard to which police use of force is assessed in misconduct cases has recently been changed to the higher criminal standard: i.e. it is more difficult to prove unlawful use of force.

This is a direct result of the problem I set out above - police are more reticient to use their powers because fear of misconduct proceedings.

As is set out in the link below:

The move has been recommended by an independent review carried out by Sir Adrian Fulford PC and Tim Godwin OBE QPM and published by the Home Office. The reviewers found that police officers do not have the confidence to use their powers of force effectively, due to past legal cases complicating their decision-making.

www.gov.uk/government/news/rule-change-to-support-police-facing-dangerous-situations

DrinkPupKitDrink · 30/04/2026 16:28

Upstartled · 30/04/2026 16:16

It's nothing like that. This guy might have some bruises. He was seen trying to kill people. He lunged at the police with a knife. He continued to hold on to his weapon after he'd been tasered. FFS.

Look at a thread full if justifications about how police handled the evil terrorist. It's also dominating the news, rather than outrage about the attempted cold blooded and racist murders in Golders Green.

Disclaimer police did a great job.

What that Green Party Zack guy basically achieved with his divisive social media post is that people talk about the poor terrorist not poor Jewish community. Others talk about the bastard that is Zack and how 'evil' he is but not about the actual evil terrorist.

For Zack and the Green Party, it's mission accomplished. Instead of sympathy for the Jewish victims its sympathy for a the poor disadvantaged black Muslim guy victim. This will win them votes from Muslims segments who are passionate about Gaza and hate Jews.

stargirl27 · 30/04/2026 16:28

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 16:06

Not at all.

Of course it is.

PropertyD · 30/04/2026 16:28

ArtAngel · 30/04/2026 15:23

Bloody hell.

Imagine your son, DH or brother (for in this case the police were all men) had tackled a murderous man, wielding a knife, still trying to stab the police, a man who may well have had explosives or other weapons, imagine your loved one had put themself in harm's way to bring him down before he stabbed someone else...and the public (advised by a martial arts hobbyist) are all up in arms criticising rather than praising.

Well done that member of the public, too.

Of course the police must be accountable, had they beat him up in the van on the way to the cells, it would have been unacceptable, but the know it all bleating about what they should or shouldn't have done in the one minute they had to apprehend and disarm him is just ridiculous.

I am a member of the public the police protect - I don't want them flicking through a training manual or doing calming exercises before deciding to tackle a man with a knife intent on killing me.

Well done those police officers, well done and thank you.

Here here. And one poster saying stamp on his wrist - it was tucked under his chest he wasnt going to give it up - havent they seen the video??

This was a dangerous situation for all. Enough with your woke drivel!

Boomer55 · 30/04/2026 16:28

He’s an idiot. We all know that. 🤷‍♀️

nomas · 30/04/2026 16:30

coulditbeme2323 · 30/04/2026 16:25

It would help a certain group of people, a group that want to cause terror and death.

Who is this group of people?

RudolphTheReindeer · 30/04/2026 16:30

BellaBlackberry83 · 30/04/2026 16:27

People like ZP and others in this thread complaining about use of force in this scenario might find that their complaints have entirely the opposite effect of the one intended.

The standard to which police use of force is assessed in misconduct cases has recently been changed to the higher criminal standard: i.e. it is more difficult to prove unlawful use of force.

This is a direct result of the problem I set out above - police are more reticient to use their powers because fear of misconduct proceedings.

As is set out in the link below:

The move has been recommended by an independent review carried out by Sir Adrian Fulford PC and Tim Godwin OBE QPM and published by the Home Office. The reviewers found that police officers do not have the confidence to use their powers of force effectively, due to past legal cases complicating their decision-making.

www.gov.uk/government/news/rule-change-to-support-police-facing-dangerous-situations

Edited

The link doesn't work for me

never mind it's working now

stargirl27 · 30/04/2026 16:30

nomas · 30/04/2026 16:30

Who is this group of people?

They are obviously going to keep dancing around what they really want to say.

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