To think that alcohol should also be banned for anyone born after 2008?

[OonaStubbs]

Alcohol causes just as much, if not more harm to society as tobacco does. IMO it should be banned as well. Any possibly junk food as well?

Yes, and lollies and over refined white flours and all pornography

Seriously, alcohol is to blame for as much heartache and violence as gambling and smoking, if not more, so I see your reasoning.

If people never got a taste for it, that would be hugely beneficial for human health.

Perhaps allowing those born after 2008 access to only dealcoholized drinks until they are 25 might be more acceptable.
While at the same time making mandatory the gradual reduction of the alcohol content of spirits, beers and other alcoholic drinks.

Absolutely not. Within reason grown adults should be able to make decisions for themselves. I’m so fed up with people happy to live under a ‘nanny state’.

Let's ban everything apart from salad and exercise. That will go so well, everyone will be healthy and happy, and there absolutely wouldn't be secret underground Monster Munch labs and clandestine clubs pushing home made gin and chocolate biscuits.

You don't need an alcohol ban anyway, the current younger generation tend not to be big drinkers and many abstain.

Mine tries all the time the crafty little ninja. Hanging about in dark corners trying to trip me up on the stairs - the furry little bastard!

This debate is decades old... When I was a student it was always structured as Alcohol vs Weed.

The outcomes are always the same:

Yes - on a purely statistical level, and especially viewed through a societal lens, alcohol is a very harmful drug.

All drugs harm in different ways, Alcohol's harm doesn't manifest through the same mechanisms as smoking or weed or cocaine etc. But it does manifest and is objectively the cause of a large amount of harm (especially large because it is legal compared to other drugs)

Being 100% logically consistent, the debate tends to conclude that if you had a fresh society and analyzed all substances equally from scratch.. alcohol would be controlled to the same degree as other dangerous substances. That level would have to be consistent.
E.g. very little restriction on most dangerous substances, or bans on most etc. The level would change, but the consistency needs to be there.

However, the side of the debate in favor of bans always has to concede that in practice we live in a world grounded in history and context, and as such (as shown in America in the 20s) trying to remove something which is such a huge part of society, life, and such a normal thing for many, who will never have a problem with it, is not just impossible, it is dangerous and would cause even more problems.

My son is a serving policeman and he says if it wasn't for drinking and drug taking crime levels would plummet.
(Just saying 😏)

Oh no - we can't have exercise either, at least not outdoors. MN doesn't like dog walkers, horse riders, runners or cyclists. The countryside isn't for anyone to use, you know. No exercise allowed outdoors that isn't slow ambling, preferably as a whole family outing, with unbridled freedom to take up the entire path and nobody must dare go at a faster pace or want to overtake.

In an idea would I would not disagree with him at all but the world is not ideal

And how banning it fit into all this? increase in black market? finding other dodgy ways of doing the same things? polticians and other ''rich'' having thei cocaine taken away sounds or the middle classes who need to improve the music at festivals by taking random pills they are given? alcholics would just take other even worse liquids

wouldn't it be better for people to take responsibilty for themsekves?

If alcohol was banned where would the government look to make up the shortfall on revenue received from the tax on it?

I’ve read some threads in my time but this? Heaven help us!

No, I don’t agree. Most people use alcohol sensibly and it would be ridiculous to phase it out, would never happen. Smoking yes, but alcohol can be enjoyed sensibly without causing issues. I drink a couple of glasses a week, on a Fri / Sat night. I do know people who drink too much, not alcoholics but use it as a crutch to get through life.

Two of my old school friends, I can guarantee on a Fri night they will still be up enjoying a drink, and they drink way over the recommended amount. But it’s their choice. Luckily a serious health issue in my early 30’s meant I was tee-total for 10yrs and can take it or leave it now. I prefer a glass of coke zero to be honest.

I want birds banned. Not all birds, just seagulls.
I was sitting on the pavement in the town centre while the kiddies practiced their wheelies on the road just enjoying a Big Mac (as you do) when one of the feckers swooped down and clean took it out of my hand.

I concede that this was partially my fault as I was also trying to smoke and drink a can of White Lightning at the same time but that's not the point.

I don't agree op, but then I'm not a puritan - maybe you're in the wrong century

Why for just young people who already drink less alcohol?

What about the economy? Loss of jobs, pub and restaurant closures, buildings made derelict, loss of inbound tourism which currently brings in circa £145 billion pa; many of them will go elsewhere.

The crimes the Police prioritise because they are easy to prosecute, he means.
Fraud and white collar crime are rife and the clear up rate is derisory.

Absolutely! Let’s as=lso ban sex so we squeeze any last joys out of us all.

In all seriousness, I once looked after a patient who nearly did die, and had multiple amputations following sepsis from a single cat scratch

I also have two cats, and I don't think they should be banned. Except maybe sometimes when they're being wee dicks at 5am

If it wasn't for the existence of men, nearly all crime levels would plummet. (Just saying 😉)

The younger people I work with mostly don't drink anyway.

They are either in to health and exercise fuelled by Huel or they vape and do pub quizzes whilst drinking orange and lemonade instead.

I think it should banned for anyone born before 2008 😂😂

The new generations seem to be able to moderate their drinking better than some previous ones 😂

Also we are not banning cats, the cats will not allow it, not an option, they rule the world.we’re just lucky to be here.

Let's ban MN then there would be one less platform for pompous, ignorant, small-minded bores to air their ludicrous ideas.

I don't get the logic, do women not commit crime?

How will anyone lose their virginity or dance in a nightclub?

Far, far less. And the crime that women commit is far, far less violent.