AIBU to say the Green Party has an antisemitism problem?

[Aislyn]

I said this in a conversation and got an interesting reaction.

I’m basing it on repeated examples of Green Party candidates and members sharing conspiracy theories about zionists, downplaying antisemitism, or even justifying attacks on Israeli civilians. That goes way beyond normal criticism of Israel.

I’m not saying every supporter is antisemitic, but there does seem to be a pattern with some of their people, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to call that out. Notably, many of the people who have come out with these views are still party members.

A friend said I was smearing the party and that this is just pro-Palestinian views being misrepresented.

Am I being unreasonable to call it an antisemitism problem?

No. It’s ok for more than one Jewish person to start a thread about the current rise in anti-semitism.

Of course it is. And others want to discuss it.

Why? It’s still going on, why can’t we discuss it?

YANBU OP. Massively so although they'll never admit it but clear to many. ZP is a useful idiot. It's handy him being a Jew as he's a fig leaf to hide behind. I've come by many original Green voters who (not Jewish) wouldn't vote for them now as they feel its not really about the environment anymore.

Why?

Having been created (as a homeland), Israel has perpetually land-grabbed and occupied land that is not Israeli. That is a problem.
No-one seems able to ‘play nice’. That is also a problem.
People need to be able to speak up about a very racist Israeli state without being closed down with labels of anti-semitism.

Having said all that, the Greens ARE nut job anti-semites, no question.

Yes, it’s quite an interesting position. ZP obviously wants to ‘stop Israel’ but has he considered what is likely to happen after that? He is siding with some people who have vowed to kill the Jews and destroy Israel.

What should be done to achieve a peaceful solution? What do you think should be done about the Hamas government ?

Perfect response!

I’m not and others aren’t, hence people posting on threads. I want to hear from Jewish people on how they feel.

Well it’s the same people every time so you must have an insight into their thinking by now.

No it’s not and no. I’m interested in what people are saying. If you’re not then look at other threads instead?

They have an everything problem. I find it hard to say this but I actually think I dislike Polanski more than Farage.

these ones will go in some gutter of history sooner than later. Kemi is a sensible approach, black and a woman - that is a lot of refresh

ah yes, Kemi is also Nigerian Christian, pro-family, pro-England - married with an English public schoolboy, pro-church and pro-Jewish

@yebba2026 Genuine question - would you mind explaining what you mean by 'Zionist'? I just wanted to check you are aware that it doesn't mean a supporter of Netanyahu or the current Israeli government or its actions. It just means that you believe Israel should exist.

So, if you don't believe this, would you mind explaining why not? And whether there are any other countries you think should cease to exist?

Ah it's the return of the ever delightful yebba. The fact you think anyone with an opinion different to yours is a member of the 'israeli lobby', the fact that you don't think Jew hatred exists ironically sums up to most people that your attitude is proof that there is a problem 😄 you so clearly hate jews but are so blinded with hate you can't even see it in your posts. Now let's see if old yebba responds...they said their last post was their last but they'll be reading....ITCHING to respond and call me a zionist lover 😄 (I'm not)

And to all those saying 'it's the same people attacking the Greens now who smeared Corbyn' - well yes, I'd hope it is. Jews who are capable of recognising anti-semitism plus decent people who are anti-racist, plus anyone who realises that their other policies (like unilateral nuclear disarmament and leaving NATO) are utterly bonkers.

I hope they go the same way as Corbyn's Labour, and the quicker the better.

So Jews in the UK have been murdered, attacked and had property destroyed because they are Jews and increase in the numbers of people gaining political power with extremely anti Jewish views who march in violent protests against Israel and Jews but are also the bad guys for wanting to talk about it?

That doesn’t sound ok.

What does Zionism mean to you? The way you have used it doesn’t seem to correspond with others.

Surely the time has got to come where you leave people alone? I think the message has gotten through to those it will get through to. Everyone else is sick of it.

Who do you want to be ‘left alone’? And everyone else is clearly not sick of it otherwise there would be no conversation. It would be helpful if you could explain your position calmly and with proper evidence as tbh your post sounds quite angry and a bit ranty. Then we can understand your point of view better.

The examples you shared at the start were mostly paywalled, which doesn't really give us the whole unbalanced story. The first one, the bits I could read did seem antisemitic, but obviously, I don't know the full story. Individuals being antisemitic should be dealt with by any party, just the same as they should deal with anyone being anti-Islamic or against any race or religion. Perhaps you could surmise exactly what was anti-Semitic about all the posts we could not read. Remember, the criticism of a state is not anti-Semitic; everyone should question the actions of their state and army and hold them accountable.

One of the examples of antisemitism you shared was Green MP's claiming Israel harvested organs. I couldn't read beyond the first line of the article because of the paywall. But it does seem like another instance of equating criticism of Israel with not antisemitism, while some of the biggest critics of Israel are Jewish. Also, Israel did admit to harvesting organs from prisoners in the past, and while they currently say they have stopped the practice, they have one of the largest skin banks in the world and one of the lowest rates of donation in the world, which is suspicious. Tie this with doctors saying corpses returned by Israel were missing skin and organs you can see why many experts believe the practice is ongoing. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs.
And https://researchcentre.trtworld.com/publications/podcast/israels-skin-bank-paradox-and-organ-harvesting-allegations/.

I see people have said it is antisemitic to criticise Israel when other countries are committing atrocities too. It is true that Russia, Sudan, China, Syria, etc., have all done barbaric and inhumane things; there are human rights violations around the world. But that doesn't mean we should stay silent when we find a state has trained dogs to rape their prisoners? Or tortures toddlers, burning them and sticking nails in them in front of their parents to get them to confess to crimes? The evidence coming from Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel is just shocking. Some of this evidence is given by Israelis who do not agree with it. I have seen countless Jewish people post online about how horrified they are by the accounts coming out about dogs raping prisoners - are these Jewish people anti-Semitic? Is our only choice to be branded antisemitic or to stay silent when kids are shot, people are raped, tortured, and starved?

Israel is a state, not a person or a religion. It is fair game to criticise it. I strongly believe that people deliberately blur criticism of Zionism and Israel with Judaism to deflect from the truly awful and inhumane things that Israel is doing at the moment. Maybe we should all be questioning if Israel should continue in its current form, when countries have committed war crimes, they have been broken up before - see Germany following WW2.

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6383/Gaza:-Israeli-army-systematically-uses-police-dogs-to-brutally-attack-Palestinian-civilians,-with-at-least-one-reported-rape

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/7023/%E2%80%9CAnother-genocide-behind-walls%E2%80%9D%3A-Sexual-violence-in-Israeli-prisons-and-detention-centres-and-engineered-impunity-%28October-2023---October-2025%29

There are some posters above who have repeatedly posted blatantly racist comments. They are not able to engage in constructive discussion, but simply post racist commentary, the worst of which has been deleted now.

Started off with saying you can't criticise Israel without being called antisemetic. Way round that was to call all Jews Zionists. I've definitely noticed the wall close in to where it is the norm by jew haters to call all UK jews zionists thus all jews are fair game. Zionist equals jew basically in the heads of jew haters.

The BNP: I am not a racist, but….

The Greens: I am not an antisemite, but…

Two heads of the same coin.