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AIBU to say the Green Party has an antisemitism problem?

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Aislyn · 27/04/2026 15:55

I said this in a conversation and got an interesting reaction.

I’m basing it on repeated examples of Green Party candidates and members sharing conspiracy theories about zionists, downplaying antisemitism, or even justifying attacks on Israeli civilians. That goes way beyond normal criticism of Israel.

I’m not saying every supporter is antisemitic, but there does seem to be a pattern with some of their people, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to call that out. Notably, many of the people who have come out with these views are still party members.

A friend said I was smearing the party and that this is just pro-Palestinian views being misrepresented.

Am I being unreasonable to call it an antisemitism problem?

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ForWittyTealOP · 27/04/2026 20:26

ColdAsAWitches · 27/04/2026 20:25

You're using Islamist as a pejorative, equating it to racism. That's not particularly tolerant.

Islamist isn't synonymous with Muslim.

idontlikedogsmuch · 27/04/2026 20:27

I’m sick of valid criticism of Israel being painted as antisemitism.

Papyrophile · 27/04/2026 20:29

Aislyn · 27/04/2026 17:08

I am all for a party for the environment. I think most people are interested in the environment nowadays.

The green party has moved so far away from environmental interests however. It's unrecognisable from it's original purpose, and has been coopted by environmentalists.

I'm not as bothered as most people. I am concerned for the safety of the UK's Jews. IME, they are the nicest and kindest people anyone could hope to meet. I would like to think the UK's laws would protect them from persecution.

Environmentally, please can we support the king in eradicating the grey squirrel?

LoremIpsumCici · 27/04/2026 20:30

I’m basing it on repeated examples of Green Party candidates and members sharing conspiracy theories about zionists, downplaying antisemitism, or even justifying attacks on Israeli civilians.

Do you have any authentic examples?

Aislyn · 27/04/2026 20:38

ForWittyTealOP · 27/04/2026 20:26

Islamist isn't synonymous with Muslim.

Exactly. @ColdAsAWitches needs to look up what an Islamist is

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Aislyn · 27/04/2026 20:48

idontlikedogsmuch · 27/04/2026 20:27

I’m sick of valid criticism of Israel being painted as antisemitism.

I am not talking about criticism of Israel: I have clearly stated this is about racism directed at Jews.

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Papyrophile · 27/04/2026 20:52

Aislyn · 27/04/2026 20:38

Exactly. @ColdAsAWitches needs to look up what an Islamist is

I think they are becoming calamitously close in the UK. My sympathy remains with Jews, but not with Israel.

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 27/04/2026 20:55

Are communists taking over the Green party? If they aren't, they should be. It is impossible to tackle environmental concerns without first addressing capitalism, with its need to profit at the expense of the planet and it's constant need for growth.

But whilst environmental concerns can not be decoupled from economic solutions, being a jew, being Israeli and being a zionist are not interchangeable terms for only one thing. It is perfectly possible to be a Jewish communist and criticise Isreal or interrogate Zionist ideology. I am all of those things except Israeli.

The facts are this, the early Zionists were very clear that in order to create a 'Jewish state' they would have to create a Jewish majority, and very clear about how they might achieve this. It is no secret that Israel is an apartheid state engaged in a slow genocide and slow burning ethic cleansing of the Palestinian people. To be a zionist is to accept that the ends justify the means.

The state could not allow Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party to win the election, because the state and those whose interest it really represents won't allow an attack on capital, and the Greens will face similar smears and anti leftist propaganda now.

As to my question.......no, the communists haven't taken over the green party, but the Green party need only argue along socialist lines to be subject to lies, propaganda and smears. And it isn't the right wing or your common Tory that that laps up this crap, it's the ignorant idiot liberal nit twit who invests more time virtue signalling than hard thinking.

Papyrophile · 27/04/2026 21:13

And the @LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster has proved the point, conclusively. The green party is totally batshit.

The formation of capital, to create businesses that employ people, even some very stupid ones, is what gives people jobs and work and pays them money. If you don't make money, the state cannot charge tax, and then the stupid people won't get any money at all. Is that really what you want?

Papyrophile · 27/04/2026 21:16

For the record, having helped to create a small business, I am fiercely protective of it. It pays for five families.

Actually, it pays proper wages (not NMW) for five people, who are their families' major breadwinners. Edited to add the second paragraph.

Aislyn · 27/04/2026 21:42

Papyrophile · 27/04/2026 21:13

And the @LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster has proved the point, conclusively. The green party is totally batshit.

The formation of capital, to create businesses that employ people, even some very stupid ones, is what gives people jobs and work and pays them money. If you don't make money, the state cannot charge tax, and then the stupid people won't get any money at all. Is that really what you want?

I agree, communism as a concept has been trialled and has failed on a state level.

This is going off on rather a tangent anyway: one can be a socialist/communist, without being an Anti-Semite. The two do not need to go hand in hand, but they very much are in current politics.

This has not always been the case (the Battle of Cable Street being an example)

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CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 27/04/2026 21:46

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 27/04/2026 20:55

Are communists taking over the Green party? If they aren't, they should be. It is impossible to tackle environmental concerns without first addressing capitalism, with its need to profit at the expense of the planet and it's constant need for growth.

But whilst environmental concerns can not be decoupled from economic solutions, being a jew, being Israeli and being a zionist are not interchangeable terms for only one thing. It is perfectly possible to be a Jewish communist and criticise Isreal or interrogate Zionist ideology. I am all of those things except Israeli.

The facts are this, the early Zionists were very clear that in order to create a 'Jewish state' they would have to create a Jewish majority, and very clear about how they might achieve this. It is no secret that Israel is an apartheid state engaged in a slow genocide and slow burning ethic cleansing of the Palestinian people. To be a zionist is to accept that the ends justify the means.

The state could not allow Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party to win the election, because the state and those whose interest it really represents won't allow an attack on capital, and the Greens will face similar smears and anti leftist propaganda now.

As to my question.......no, the communists haven't taken over the green party, but the Green party need only argue along socialist lines to be subject to lies, propaganda and smears. And it isn't the right wing or your common Tory that that laps up this crap, it's the ignorant idiot liberal nit twit who invests more time virtue signalling than hard thinking.

How do you feel about Hamas wanting to eradicate Israel and all Jews? What should be done about them?

Twattergy · 27/04/2026 21:48

Id love to vote for a party that treats the environment and climate with the priority it deserves. It wont be long until we all want to do that, when we realise the health and security of this country relies upon a totally different approach to nature/natural resources. That should be the Greens. Unfortunately, as a jew I do not feel I can give them my vote.

Muesleigh · 27/04/2026 21:58

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 27/04/2026 20:55

Are communists taking over the Green party? If they aren't, they should be. It is impossible to tackle environmental concerns without first addressing capitalism, with its need to profit at the expense of the planet and it's constant need for growth.

But whilst environmental concerns can not be decoupled from economic solutions, being a jew, being Israeli and being a zionist are not interchangeable terms for only one thing. It is perfectly possible to be a Jewish communist and criticise Isreal or interrogate Zionist ideology. I am all of those things except Israeli.

The facts are this, the early Zionists were very clear that in order to create a 'Jewish state' they would have to create a Jewish majority, and very clear about how they might achieve this. It is no secret that Israel is an apartheid state engaged in a slow genocide and slow burning ethic cleansing of the Palestinian people. To be a zionist is to accept that the ends justify the means.

The state could not allow Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party to win the election, because the state and those whose interest it really represents won't allow an attack on capital, and the Greens will face similar smears and anti leftist propaganda now.

As to my question.......no, the communists haven't taken over the green party, but the Green party need only argue along socialist lines to be subject to lies, propaganda and smears. And it isn't the right wing or your common Tory that that laps up this crap, it's the ignorant idiot liberal nit twit who invests more time virtue signalling than hard thinking.

You paint Zionism like it’s some sort of inherently racist endeavour, but it’s simply Jewish self-determination, similar to that enjoyed or campaigned for by many other groups. No one calls Pakistani self-determination racist but everyone is fully aware that Pakistan was founded on the basis of being majority Muslim and involved significant displacement of people. All the problems identified by anti-Israelis are mysteriously not a concern elsewhere, which is why it’s clear there’s something else going on.

Aislyn · Yesterday 08:25

Muesleigh · 27/04/2026 21:58

You paint Zionism like it’s some sort of inherently racist endeavour, but it’s simply Jewish self-determination, similar to that enjoyed or campaigned for by many other groups. No one calls Pakistani self-determination racist but everyone is fully aware that Pakistan was founded on the basis of being majority Muslim and involved significant displacement of people. All the problems identified by anti-Israelis are mysteriously not a concern elsewhere, which is why it’s clear there’s something else going on.

I agree that Zionism has been coopted into something it is not. It is simply the belief that Jews can have a homeland. There are many non-Jewish Zionists.

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FernandoSor · Yesterday 08:32

Aislyn · Yesterday 08:25

I agree that Zionism has been coopted into something it is not. It is simply the belief that Jews can have a homeland. There are many non-Jewish Zionists.

The problem with a religion having a ‘homeland’ (whatever that means) is that the people who were living there first might object.

ForWittyTealOP · Yesterday 08:39

FernandoSor · Yesterday 08:32

The problem with a religion having a ‘homeland’ (whatever that means) is that the people who were living there first might object.

Who do you think was living in the region "first"?

ForWittyTealOP · Yesterday 08:42

FernandoSor · Yesterday 08:32

The problem with a religion having a ‘homeland’ (whatever that means) is that the people who were living there first might object.

To add, as I'm sure you already know, Judaism is an ethnicity and not just a religion. Plenty of us are non-religious Jews, a distinction that doesn't matter at all to those who would like to see us gone. Now have a think about what the basis for a Jewish state might be.

WarriorN · Yesterday 08:48

idontlikedogsmuch · 27/04/2026 20:27

I’m sick of valid criticism of Israel being painted as antisemitism.

have a wee read of the SM posts of the council candidates in the bbc links.

mugglewump · Yesterday 08:54

YABU. Pro-Palestine does not mean anti-semitic. Condemnation of Netenyahu's government does not mean anti-zionist.

Aislyn · Yesterday 08:57

mugglewump · Yesterday 08:54

YABU. Pro-Palestine does not mean anti-semitic. Condemnation of Netenyahu's government does not mean anti-zionist.

Have you read the many links posted, or done a quick Google search yourself? The comments made are well beyond valid criticism of the Israeli government. Specifically, they are racist comments directed at Jews.

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Yesterday 09:03

The sad fact is, there has always been an undercurrent of antisemitism in the U.K., but until recently - especially since WW2 and Hitler’s ‘final solution’, - it has not been the ‘done’ thing to express it.
Now, because of Gaza, it has - and I hate to put it like this - become ‘fashionable’.

Muesleigh · Yesterday 09:04

FernandoSor · Yesterday 08:32

The problem with a religion having a ‘homeland’ (whatever that means) is that the people who were living there first might object.

Well Judaism is an ethnicity and a religion. And there are many examples in modern history of new states being created on the basis of ethnic and religious self-determination, which often involved displacement of people and conflict, but Israel is the only one deemed to be inherently problematic