Animal cruelty - lack of support on threads

[theyhavenovoice]

so am posting here because I’ve tried on other threads ( keep getting moved). In light of the last few days and what we’re learning. Testing on animals/ Beagles in the UK. I’m feeling heartbroken and have been so unaware. Anyone else?

@TheGoldenOwl
The technology for the COVID vaccines had been in process for years. It wasn't a case of starting from scratch.

Lets be clear, I would be very happy if there never had to be any more animal testing. It is currently a legal requirement that pharma companies cannot dip out of. Every year, there are advances, but science and progress take time. It does not take much imagination to think of the problems it would cause if we just dropped it all overnight, without fully validated alternatives in place. In silico testing and AI modelling is bringing things forwards at pace, but does not remove all risk of off target, unanticipated side effects.

Also, the abuses and intensification of animal farming has been incremental. Added to which, there is a huge marketing effort to portray e.g. happy cows in fields, delighted to have had their calves taken away so that they can “give” their milk to their darling humans.

The idea that hens that are not in battery farms lead happy, sunny, clucking spacious lives is active misinformation.

And darling little lambs are eaten.

Pretty much every bit of advertising related to animal products that is on supermarket shelves is deception. I don’t blame people for not knowing that, but I am appalled that, once informed, many people are indifferent.

@theyhavenovoice I don’t buy cosmetics tested on animals. However, I have to take a swathe of medication every day to keep me alive and reduce my pain levels. Afaik all medications are tested on animals. What do you suggest I do?

Yes me too. Once youve seen or heard something upsetting and disturbing, you can't unsee or unhear it. But there's a real hardness in society nowadays, so we could be a dying breed.

I’m not suggesting people don’t take their meds. I’m saying the practices are cruel and we need to create more awareness. I can shop differently now, more mindfully. And help reduce demand for products/ brands unnecessarily testing or marketed and sold in China for example.

I think posters calling me naive are naive themselves -that they think they are ‘all knowing.’ I don’t think they realise themselves the full extent.

Agree

You’re kind of highlighting what is so abhorrent about animal testing. That you can’t imagine anyone willingly undergoing it. But it’s ok to force and breed sentient animals for the purpose? I mean if you’re ok with that, that’s your moral choice and just say that. But presenting it as ‘we have to do it to animals because humans wouldn’t agree’ is pretty weird.

Arguably a necessary evil for cancer or other life saving medications. Much harder to justify for other drugs.

I try to avoid products that have been shipped miles, buy local where I can. I eat mostly vegetarian, have meat maybe once a week.

I already said I don’t buy cosmetics tested on animals?

Would you allow it for pain relieving drugs? For blood pressure medications? For anti depressants? Hrt? Laxatives?

I think the comments that respond almost with a ‘blanket’ life saving/ meds response are using cognitive dissonance. That it’s an easy way to solve the uncomfortable truth and to justify choices/ way we live and then turn a blind eye. Like so many issues, there’s ‘messiness’ and without campaigns and holding people responsible to regulations, change doesn’t happen.
Look at Temple Gradin and her work for example on humane livestock slaughter. If nothing else it’s so interesting and how she used her neurodiversity for great change.

How am I using cognitive dissonance?

I know EXACTLY what happens on a chicken farm. In a chicken house. I know how calves are reared. I KNOW what happens.

I grew up with a farming family and worked the abbatoir in the summer after my a levels.

how is it cognitive dissonance?

Read the entire thread if you don’t get it

Good for you

There’s no need to be rude.

And you’re wrong. There’s no cognitive dissonance because there’s no conflict. If they value meds and how they contribute to society, some people accept animal testing as a necessary evil.

Have you seen angryherrings comment to me ???

You don’t understand cognitive dissonance then

I think the OP has run out of any logical argument so she is resorting to being rude and throwing about the term ‘cognitive dissonance’.

I’ll be leaving this thread. I’m being rude because others are bloody rude. What a waste of time and energy

Like you said you’ve no clue so you obvs don’t understand cognitive dissonance

what Do you want me to say?

i grew up lifting the dead ones in my granny’s chicken houses. See also calves being taken and the boy calves being sold. I worked the abbatoir the summer after school coz it paid the best. I didn’t give a shit about animal testing then either.

I know what happens.

now, I rarely eat meat and shop as sustainably as possible. I try to avoid animal products. But I take loads of pain killers, I get treatment for cancer, I have blood pressure meds, hrt, antidepressants. Moisturisers. Prescription ones. And probably more I’ve forgotten What am I supposed to do?

Yep, that figures.

Define it for me then and tell me how I am being cognitively dissonant. Please.

She can’t define it because she doesn’t really understand what it means. She’s simply throwing it about to try and shut people up.