Animal cruelty - lack of support on threads

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so am posting here because I’ve tried on other threads ( keep getting moved). In light of the last few days and what we’re learning. Testing on animals/ Beagles in the UK. I’m feeling heartbroken and have been so unaware. Anyone else?

YABVU for not putting that as a "sensitive image" - there are several posters who have already indicated distress

The simple fact is that as long as pharmaceuticals must be tested on primates before going to human trials, this is going to happen.

What do you think the alternative should be? TBH i am not keen on the WLI industry, but it really seems to be helping a lot of people. Taking a utilitarian view of this, you'd have to decide (for yourself) if you think the harm to the animals outweighs the good outcomes for WLI and not forgetting the people those drugs were developed for in the first place: people with diabetes.

As for food: in the EU at least meat packaging must indicate how the animals were kept prior to slaughter. I never buy anything under a 4 and prefer a 5. I only buy local or free range eggs and milk. It is expensive so i do that for me because i can afford it. I am not going to sneer at anyone who can't afford to be as fussy as i am about animal welfare.

if you are happy for your drugs to be tested on animals you should be prepared to look at the consequences.

Oh come on! Anyone that does this as a job is not in anyway caring and compassionate to animals that have absolutely no fucking choice but to abused like this. That is the exact opposite to being caring and compassionate. If you recognise a living being is suffering, you don’t continue to make them suffer.

I agree with this. If I see anything animal cruelty related, I can spiral so fast if I’m in the wrong head space, it’s awful.

I try my best to support cruelty free. I feel like a coward that I can’t do more because I’ve tried, and failed to watch videos miserably. I even had to exit the cinema and cried like a baby in the toilets at the last guardians of the galaxy film. I’m not think sensitive to anything else.

Exactly that.

I had not seen this image. (Or the news generally as I avoid it) And I genuinely have had a little cry upon seeing it. His poor face, the little cute legs being restrained, his fear, his helplessness at what is about to be done to him 💔

However, I thank the poster for posting it and bringing up to my attention because ignoring doesnt mean it isnt happening.

I have text a few friends about this just now.

I and I suspect many people are alive due to drugs tested on animals. It’s naive to look the other way and say la la la, I won’t look.

I personally am ok with it. But there are several people on this thread who really didn't want to see those things.

The point pp was making "they are so like us" is the very reason the primates are used in testing. I wish it wasn't so, but what do we do instead? Test on people? who? are you going to volunteer?

OK so you have shared that image among your friends.

What is the end game her? are you exhorting all your friends to stop using all modern pharmaceuticals? to distress them? What is the actual reason?

I'm ok seeing pictures, i am ok seeing pictures of battery hens tbh because i don't use them and i hope it persuades others like me not to buy caged eggs.

But what about the pharmaceuticals? i have asthma. I use an inhaler. I know how it was tested. What do you think pictures of the apes do apart from wanting to make me feel guilty about using my puffer to stay alive? Do you want your diabetic friends to stop using their drugs? what is the intention?

I didn’t post that image. I’m very aware for some (including myself) it’s very distressing.

Being more descriptive moves the thread it seems.
Ultimately I’ve got people talking about it more on AIBU so I don’t care about some of your arsey comments.

My posts were previously moved because the links and comments alluded to campaigns / petitions. the Daily Mail article was taken from public view very quickly.

Thank you to those who are being thoughtful in responding.

They’ve filmed undercover footage. It’s the same in US and MBR acres ( Beagles farms) recently. It is horrific and cruel and I don’t believe people working in this industry are doing their best as REDWINECUPCAKES suggests.

ok but what do you want us to do?

I have to agree. Many millions of us would not be here now had life saving drugs first not been tested on animals.

But using animals for testing for make up/shampoo is a no no.

People can care about all kinds of things. How is animal cruelty NOT absolutely horrendous?

This in absolute fucking spades.

it is absolutely horrendous. What is your alternative? the pharma industry is working very hard to get away from the (hugely expensive and highly regulated) testing on animals model.

In the meantime, it will carry on. What is the alternative?

and it’s the cruelty aspect. I want to do better in my choices for everything I buy. I had no idea we tested on dogs in the UK. And the breeding site. I’m nearly 50 and I had no idea. Yes I’m niave but I now can’t ‘unsee’ it

So what medicines are you going to use in the future?

I’m the same age as you. Did you grow up in the UK? As a teenager there were loads and loads of anti-vivisection campaigns, there were stalls with graphic images and petitions to sign etc etc. The thing that shocks me most is that you’re claiming to have only just found out!

I lived quite close to Cambridge where there are loads of pharmaceutical research labs. It was well known there were all kinds of animals there, including beagles.

So if you ever get heart disease or cancer or your child gets leukaemia, you'll refuse treatment? Because I guarantee you'll not be overly concerned about the fact that the drugs needed to keep you or your child alive have been tested in animals.

It's just a sad fact that animal testing is still needed.

Exactly that - not knowing about this and now knowing changes things. I don’t take regular meds and of course I’m not judging anyone who does. I’m saying I didn’t know -firstly, what types of animals used in toxicity testing and in the UK. And secondly, the cruelty involved.

I’m starting a discussion, I don't have the answers. I also was feeling shocked and wanted to see what others thought. I just know I can make choices and share support organisations that are trying to initiate change.

I just wrote a post and deleted it.

I went and researched, my knowledge was out of date.

There are better alternatives being created. And I don't understand why the hold up. We showed in COVID that we can do medical shit pretty damn quick.

So yeah. While I can't stop taking my meds, this is abhorrent and alternatives should be sped up.

Grew up in a different to location to you. Yes I knew about animal testing / body shop campaigns. I thought they’d phased out testing for cosmetics. Good for you knowing it all! I wonder knowing that for all these years, you must make excellent choices! You tell us all what we can do then?

Yes test on people. Imagine being fine for unwilling monkeys to be used but willing human subjects who are paid is just a step too far. Fgs

For those asking what this is about and for those saying animal testing is ok, I think the original poster may be referring to MBR Acres in Huntingdon, UK who breeds beagles for them to be tortured in scientific experiments in other parts of the UK.

Follow Camp Beagle on any social media platform to educate yourselves - if we saw this kind of treatment elsewhere in the world, we would be horrified.

Beagles are bred and kept in dire situations - no heating on during winter, no cooling during scorching summers, no way to ever get outside and staff that leave them over the weekend with no-one looking after them other than security guards at the front gate.

You're ok with that? It's disgusting.

Thank you. This is exactly it. Outdated knowledge/ understanding. I’m trying to educate myself in what actually is going on and for what purposes.

if you look at all your products in the home it will make you reassess. It’s not just about medication.

Thank you.

I’ve put more info on my other threads ( that were moved swiftly)