Animal cruelty - lack of support on threads

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so am posting here because I’ve tried on other threads ( keep getting moved). In light of the last few days and what we’re learning. Testing on animals/ Beagles in the UK. I’m feeling heartbroken and have been so unaware. Anyone else?

It’s horrendous OP. I looked at a scientific published paper just last week which was conducted by a company (not UK, but in Germany, though I think the UK has or did have an animal testing lab) to support a very well known vet administered pet flea treatment. It wasn’t enough, apparently, to test for efficacy against fleas.
The supposedly human beings who conducted this test euthanised the beagles afterwards in order to weigh organs.

Before anyone says to me “it must have been necessary“ , quite frankly I find this argument appalling. Imagine if human medicines were tested on caged humans who were then put to sleep and dismembered so their body parts could then be weighed.
It is completely revolting. I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that some people really are wicked and truly revolting specimens. I would like to see vets speaking out against this barbarism.

I refuse to buy products tested on animals.

How do you do that when it comes to drugs?

No that’s right as angry ferret says- I need to engage my brain

You’ve never taken any medication then?

😂I think, when you start posting arsey responses to your own posts, it's time to step away from the keyboard, OP!

You started off commenting on this thread being rude and that’s all you’ve contributed. Arsey comments and nothing helpful

Yeah I couldn’t find how to delete that haha ( fair point)

‘They are really not that different to us’.

Oh the irony you think this is a reason to stop. You need to make one more teeny tiny step in your logical thinking and then maybe the penny will drop.

Yes, it’s slightly off topic but it amazes me when people recommend on here (or any other SM to be honest) countless products tested on animals whilst owning pets themselves. The sheer ignorance and double standards make me very angry!

Well someone on another thread is suggesting just that - that we use prisoners instead.

And that’s apparently more humane.

I have an assistance dog. Hes trained and certified. Is that wrong now too?

Why are you so angry?

I so agree with you OP.

People are taking the hump because weight loss injections are testing on monkeys and dogs and those using the drugs don't like it when you point out how barbaric this is.

I thought ALL drugs were tested on animals? Are they not?

I'm a biochemist, early in my career I was part of a team who developed a clotting factor inhibitor which made it to market and will undoubtedly have saved many lives. Was that molecule tested in animals? Yes. Do I believe in the necessity of animal testing for medicinal products? Yes. Do I wish it wasn't necessary? Yes.
No cognitive dissonance here.

YANBU. This is a good one for the other thread 'what do people do that you find baffling'.

Anyone who doesn't care about animals, or doesn't care that they are being hurt - I immediately am very confident that they are a shit person who I do not want to know.

I just don't understand. It's disgusting and devastating. Is it ignorance? Stupidity? They literally don't understand that animals feel emotion and pain, and have the same brain centres we do to process those emotions, and the same hormones we do to feel those strong feelings? I don't understand HOW people can be so cruel and callous.

Have you never taken medication. Did you have your dc vaccinated? Have you taken or allowed your children to take antibiotics? If the answer is yes, you are using products which have been tested on animals.

Also to the people wondering if it's really that bad - they CUT the vocal chords of beagles so they can't scream out in pain. They cut them. Without anaesthetic. Barbaric.

I owned a beagle as a child so have always been aware of animal testing on them. How do people think medication and cosmetics safety tests are done? It’s not on flies….

I haven't taken medication for over 30 years and don't have children.

As someone already pointed out all drugs have to be tested on animals before they are deemed safe enough to move onto human trials, without animal testing none of the drugs we use in medicine today would have been developed. If you are against animal testing I guess you must refuse all medicines and vaccinations then? I imagine this isn't the case so on some level you must accept that drugs need to be tested somehow to be deemed safe? Or did you just never think about that and collect your prescription and take your tried and tested drug to treat your ailments?

I'm not against animal testing for medicines, it isn't nice, but it's necessary.

But how do you feel about that?
Does it not hurt you?

So you have taken medication then, which makes you rather hypocritical.

I assume if you were unlucky enough to get cancer you would refuse treatment and allow yourself to die?

What about my chemo? The antidepressants that stop me killing myself?