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to believe a "stranger" over my son about abuse

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QuaintAquaTraybake · 18/04/2026 14:44

DS (he is 21) has always been difficult, as has my relationship with him. He was a challenging child and then a challenging teenager. The behavior he displayed in his early to mid teens ranged from mild acting out (silly fights, occasionally skipping classes to smoke with older boys) to stealing, lying and manipulating his family and others. DH and I did what we felt was best for him as parents. The whole lot, therapy, counseling, "consistency consistency consistency". We felt things were improving at one point in his late teens,as he approached the prospect of going to university and doing his own thing, but now I feel we may simply have been blind to it, or he became better at hiding this mean streak, who knows.

He was in a relationship with a young woman, who I'll refer to as A (24) for convenience, for nearly two years. I have grown very fond of A. She reminds me a great deal of myself at her age. Big dreams but like everyone does she has her struggles. Notably, low self worth. I was very much the same. The only difference between her and I is I had a loving family when I was struggling. A has only had my son, and by extension, us.
Two weeks ago A turned up at our house in tears. DH and I took her in and tried to comfort her as best we could, but she begged us not to let DS know. She also wouldn't say what was going on, at least until my husband had gone to bed. Once it was just the two of us she told me everything.

What she has told me, and what I saw for myself, the cigarette burns on her arms and thighs, bruises, marks, it is awful. He would lock her in their dresser for hours, humiliate her in various ways over trivial disagreements... I cried hearing it and seeing it. I have told DS I want nothing to do with him unless he tells us the truth. DS, however, insists things are not as she describes them. To cut a very long story short, he claims their relationship was healthy and what she calls abuse now are "kinky activities" which she willingly agreed to throughout their two years together. For example, he admits he did indeed put cigarettes out on her, "lightly" beat her when they were intimate, engaged in "degrading acts" because "she likes it, we both like it."

So now DS and I are not speaking, and DH and I are completely at odds. DH refuses to entertain the thought our son could/would/has done something so vile. And he has told me outright he is ashamed of me for taking "some stranger's" claims over those of our own flesh and blood. I tell him why I believe her, he says there is no hard evidence. I say well my own eyes are hard evidence, the bruises and marks I saw on that girl are NOT the result of an ordinary couple engaging in consensual sex, those are not signs of mutual sexual pleasure. And that if he truly believes otherwise he should join DS in seeking out some professional help.

We barely speak two words to each other now. Him sleeping on the couch, me hiding in the bedroom. My question is, am I really so wrong? Am I projecting my own trauma onto someone else and refusing to see the truth. I suppose, I wonder, if you were me, what would you do?

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MadinMarch · 18/04/2026 18:00

LiveLuvLaugh · 18/04/2026 15:31

What makes you think OP’s son is mentally ill? Do you think people can have flaws in their character? Do you think all bad or cruel decisions are due to illness? Do you think illness is responsible for his behaviour?

Sociopathy, psychopathy and with all sorts of other personality disorders are considered mental health issues and is recognised under the Mental Health Act 2007

Devonshiregal · 18/04/2026 18:00

few things just not right here.

  1. she has friends she is close enough to go stay with but she chose to go to his mother first to relay to her her son’s abuse? Have you been bonding with her by slagging him off?

1.5) she is happy to tell her abuser’s parents every detail but not the police - ok this is a questionable one because it is a difficult big thing to do, but it is odd as she would be putting herself in danger by telling you.

  1. you think cutting him off is a punishment. It’s not. It’s an abdication of duty. He’s clearly fucked up and you birthed and raised him. Turn the mirror on yourself.

  2. the girl is safe now. Leave her alone. You should be concentrating on getting him sorted not ruminating with someone who is either screwing your son over or has been abused by your son (I suspect both) - you are too close to her abuser and should step away for HER sake. Let her heal.

  3. you sound like you don’t like your son and haven’t since he was a kid - he had a disability that wasn’t accounted for for some time which will have impacted him and been exacerbated by being misunderstood. If you cut him off you’re just fulfilling the prophecy - he will have believed you don’t love him so you’ll prove it by leaving. your job is to support and rehabilitate, not punish. And your husband is allowed a different point of view to you.

he sounds awful and you should report him to the police anyway. Just adobe give her name or details.

Flannelfeet · 18/04/2026 18:01

Thats truly awful, I know he is your son op but no, its definitely not a kink, its abuse. If A doesn't want the police involved maybe phone adult social services and log a safeguarding complaint anonymously? Can these things be done given her past?
I really feel sad for you and A. 🥺

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/04/2026 18:02

Funny how “kink” involves a woman being used and abused - it’s easy to be into kink when it’s not you being burned, bruised and pissed on. Shows an absolute disregard for the dignity of the woman concerned. If my DH supported my adult son treating a woman so badly, the marriage would be over.

TheCobbleCreekMonster · 18/04/2026 18:03

OwlBeThere · 18/04/2026 17:38

I don’t know how you can say you know for certain it wasn’t consensual from looking at her. Burns are burns however they are sustained. They don’t look different when you do it as a kink or when you do it as an abuser.

and as for ‘why would she come to you if it was consensual?’ Because people can be manipulative and very good liars. If they’ve fallen out and she’s that way inclined it’s not unheard for angry people to so very sneaky things. As it stands your family is fractured. And if her intent was to harm him and his family structure? She’s achieved it.

I don’t envy you OP because the truth of it is, only 2 people know the truth and you don’t have any way of knowing which is lying.
him being difficult doesn’t make her truthful.
her reminding you of yourself doesn’t make her truthful.

he’s clearly got issues, but people would issues attract other people with issues. Why doesn’t she have family around her? Friends? Why is she coming to you with this? That concerns me because liars often find themselves alone.

and before anyone comes at me about victim blaming, I’m not saying I believe him over her, or that she is a liar- I’m just saying it’s POSSIBLE that she is. And if it’s possible I’d need more evidence before I destroyed my family for her.

This is a good balanced post.

I think if I were the OP in this situation, I would support A as best I could but accept that for now, there's little I can actually do. As I said in one of my previous posts, if he is the POS he appears to be, he will do it again or worse and hopefully his DF will 'see' him.

He's too old for OP to do anything much about anyway so watchful waiting would be my go to for now. That and a big dose of grey rock.

allthingsinmoderation · 18/04/2026 18:05

"Kinky activities" are not healthy if one person considers them abuse.
The abuse occurred as you have seen the cigarette burns and bruises.
You know this girl did not "like it".
Im so sorry for this poor girl .
You son and DH are gaslighting you,making you feel crazy for believing her.
i hope the girl goes to the police and reports him because he wont stop hurting and abusing unless he is stopped and hes young now and it will worsen and escalate if not stopped.
I hope this girl is safe and cared for.
I hope you have support IRL because this must be so painful for you.

Bringyourfoldingchair · 18/04/2026 18:06

Devonshiregal · 18/04/2026 18:00

few things just not right here.

  1. she has friends she is close enough to go stay with but she chose to go to his mother first to relay to her her son’s abuse? Have you been bonding with her by slagging him off?

1.5) she is happy to tell her abuser’s parents every detail but not the police - ok this is a questionable one because it is a difficult big thing to do, but it is odd as she would be putting herself in danger by telling you.

  1. you think cutting him off is a punishment. It’s not. It’s an abdication of duty. He’s clearly fucked up and you birthed and raised him. Turn the mirror on yourself.

  2. the girl is safe now. Leave her alone. You should be concentrating on getting him sorted not ruminating with someone who is either screwing your son over or has been abused by your son (I suspect both) - you are too close to her abuser and should step away for HER sake. Let her heal.

  3. you sound like you don’t like your son and haven’t since he was a kid - he had a disability that wasn’t accounted for for some time which will have impacted him and been exacerbated by being misunderstood. If you cut him off you’re just fulfilling the prophecy - he will have believed you don’t love him so you’ll prove it by leaving. your job is to support and rehabilitate, not punish. And your husband is allowed a different point of view to you.

he sounds awful and you should report him to the police anyway. Just adobe give her name or details.

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I don’t think you have any experience of abuse? (Lucky you). It’s easier to go to connections of the abuser as you know they will always forgive him in the same way that the person being abused will usually forgive. Going to your own friends and family is more difficult as there is no going back from that.

SALaw · 18/04/2026 18:06

Even if your son’s version of events is true (which I very much doubt), your husband can surely see that being turned on by abusing and degrading a woman is terrible, dangerous and requires addressing. And before anyone accuses me of “kink shaming”, yes, I am. Many kinks deserve to be shamed and this is definitely one of them.

RaucousSwan · 18/04/2026 18:11

She may not be ready to speak with the police but please encourage her to record evidence of her injuries, in case she decides to report later. The Injury Capture app can be used by anyone, to record and securely store evidence of assault, domestic abuse or sexual violence.
The evidence captured and saved will remain private until the user chooses to submit it to the police. Importantly, when they do choose to, the police will receive legally admissible evidence which they can quickly use to safeguard the victim and prosecute the offender. www.ncdv.org.uk/agencies/injury-capture-app-powered-by-anatomap/

Injury Capture App (powered by Anatomap)

Injury Capture App (powered by Anatomap) - NCDV

The Injury Capture app can be used by anyone, to record and securely store evidence of assault, domestic abuse or sexual violence.The evidence captured and saved will remain private until the user chooses to submit it to the police. Importantly, when t...

https://www.ncdv.org.uk/agencies/injury-capture-app-powered-by-anatomap

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 18/04/2026 18:34

Caniweartheseones · 18/04/2026 17:34

Referring to the repetitive points about the dog: So amazing how the English will usually put animals before people. I’ll warrant you the dog has much more likelihood of finding a home than the GF

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Hardly. The woman is now out and safe. The dog is still there and the man is more frustrated than ever. No one is protecting the dog over the woman. Just pointing out the dog is actually at risk.

ElenOfTheWays · 18/04/2026 18:57

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ElenOfTheWays · 18/04/2026 19:08

OwlBeThere · 18/04/2026 17:38

I don’t know how you can say you know for certain it wasn’t consensual from looking at her. Burns are burns however they are sustained. They don’t look different when you do it as a kink or when you do it as an abuser.

and as for ‘why would she come to you if it was consensual?’ Because people can be manipulative and very good liars. If they’ve fallen out and she’s that way inclined it’s not unheard for angry people to so very sneaky things. As it stands your family is fractured. And if her intent was to harm him and his family structure? She’s achieved it.

I don’t envy you OP because the truth of it is, only 2 people know the truth and you don’t have any way of knowing which is lying.
him being difficult doesn’t make her truthful.
her reminding you of yourself doesn’t make her truthful.

he’s clearly got issues, but people would issues attract other people with issues. Why doesn’t she have family around her? Friends? Why is she coming to you with this? That concerns me because liars often find themselves alone.

and before anyone comes at me about victim blaming, I’m not saying I believe him over her, or that she is a liar- I’m just saying it’s POSSIBLE that she is. And if it’s possible I’d need more evidence before I destroyed my family for her.

There are people on this very thread who are a part of the scene who are saying categorically that this doesn't sound consensual to them and they should know I guess. Did you even read the post about the horrible text messages he sent her? There were no responses from her implying consent.

There are some ridiculous apologists on this thread but you take the prize for the worst one.

Uricon2 · 18/04/2026 19:22

Anyone defending 'kink' on this thread is ignoring the fact that (from what I know of it) it involves clear consent, boundaries, safe words, safety at all times and both partners fully engaged in those things?

What the OP has described is a young woman with limited support showing her the injuries her son caused, in distress. After that, the young woman left the relationship.

What about this would make anyone think this was a consensual sadomasochistic relationship?

JHound · 18/04/2026 19:37

Sounds like your son is making the “rough sex” defence that so may abusive men do.

AcquadiP · 18/04/2026 19:47

Caniweartheseones · 18/04/2026 17:34

Referring to the repetitive points about the dog: So amazing how the English will usually put animals before people. I’ll warrant you the dog has much more likelihood of finding a home than the GF

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As has already been stated, the girl is no longer living with the OP's son but the dog is, therefore various people have expressed concern regarding the welfare of the dog. It is perfectly possible to have the same level of concern for the safety of a human being and an animal simultaneously. And yes the British - not just the English - are a nation of great animal lovers and we have high welfare standards, written into law, which prohibit causing an animal unnecessary suffering in any shape or form. That's something for us to be proud of, not sneered at by someone who wrongly believes we put animals before people.

JHound · 18/04/2026 19:49

AcquadiP · 18/04/2026 19:47

As has already been stated, the girl is no longer living with the OP's son but the dog is, therefore various people have expressed concern regarding the welfare of the dog. It is perfectly possible to have the same level of concern for the safety of a human being and an animal simultaneously. And yes the British - not just the English - are a nation of great animal lovers and we have high welfare standards, written into law, which prohibit causing an animal unnecessary suffering in any shape or form. That's something for us to be proud of, not sneered at by someone who wrongly believes we put animals before people.

There is a tendency to value animals above humans in Britain and I don’t think that’s something to be proud of.

AcquadiP · 18/04/2026 19:51

JHound · 18/04/2026 19:49

There is a tendency to value animals above humans in Britain and I don’t think that’s something to be proud of.

In what ways?

SeenItAllMostly · 18/04/2026 19:55

As women we have gut instincts. They are always right and I do believe men try and convince us otherwise.
ultimately as much as you try and explain no one on this thread knows your family dynamic nor the behaviours of those you mentioned as much a you.
You know in your gut. That’s all you need.

sending you lots of strength to navigate this one 💐

whatisheupto · 18/04/2026 20:09

Can you make sure she at least takes photos of the burn marks and bruising for now?
I would say your son definitely needs some sort of consequence to happen. Otherwise he will go on to do worse and worse things as he gets older. How to achieve that presumably involves police.

Kimura · 18/04/2026 20:12

RoseField1 · 18/04/2026 17:47

Well yes. I'm sorry to say that those messages are evidence of consent. That still doesn't mean it wasn't coerced consent, and I would be extremely disturbed about his impulses and behaviour but on the face of it she did consent in those messages. Are you able to discuss this with DH with any nuance?

A person cannot consent to an act that results in actual bodily harm.

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sunshine244 · 18/04/2026 20:20

I am glad you believe her. My ex's parents wouldn't listen at all about the abuse he put me through, and instead lied to protect him.

ADHD was what I first thought before you mentioned it. Not as an excuse but as a possible factor. Does your son have medication or other support?

I have a 12 year old AuDHD son and it can be really hard with the outbursts. Your situation is my worst fear for the future. I hope you know that this isn't your fault and it sounds like you are a great parent.

Laurmolonlabe · 18/04/2026 20:24

Nobody gets cigarette burns "because they like it" - that's bullshit- tell him so.

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