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To find middle class parents insufferable?

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Gwst · 14/04/2026 14:15

Sorry rant incoming! I'm so sick of how since becoming a parent half the people I speak to seem to be insufferable snobs about the area we live in (in a big city). Schools are "terrible" despite good ratings, couldn't possibly be good enough for their children, and are upset they don't live in a posher area, too many undesirables round where we live, complaining about drugs etc when this is an issue that 100% doesn't affect their demographic. I've recently had someone say they had to move to the suburbs because at their local school all the parents had "a can of coke in one hand, a fag in the other and 10 kids" and another saying a nursery wasn't good enough as they didn't want their child looked after by someone with a speech impediment. Both of these left me with my jaw on the floor shocked someone would think it's OK to say that but they seem to have no embarrassment about saying it to me, a casual acquaintance. And the area we live in is full of creative types, ostensibly left wing etc but also seem to hold these reactionary views when it comes to their kids.

The thing about schools drives me mad as I guarantee most of these people have zero experience of attending or their kids attending a challenging city comprehensive. It's just this perceived bias that their kids will get bullied or become drug dealers or other crap that they heard from their parents as to why they went to private school and are now parroting but can't afford private school or a posh area themselves. I went to a pretty crap school but I came out with good grades and went to a prestigious uni. It wasn't all great but it was a realistic cross section of society and arguably gives you good expectations of the real world and that fact that not everyone in your community is privileged etc. But no one seems to care about that and just wants to look out for themselves and everyone else be damned.

I am middle class myself lol. And my kid is going to have plenty of (unfair) social advantages anyway without us having to get them into "the best" school or only socialise with other middle class people. I just really don't get it. Am I alone in thinking like this??

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DeftGoldHedgehog · 14/04/2026 16:22

What you hate is snobs, OP.

Having grown up in a working class area/lower middle class area, and lived in middle class and upper middle class areas there are snobs in all walks of life, usually born from some internal inferiority or fear of some kind. In a working class area there can be reverse snobbery.

I was called a snob, swot and show off when I showed any enthusiasm or wanted to do well at school. Then when I moved to a middle class area (only a few miles down the road) some kids took the piss out of my accent and thought I was a bit common. You can't win, so don't worry about it, it's their problem!

Some people also just live in a bubble. Where I live now, it makes me laugh that some people think some areas are "rough" locally but it's actually just where the working class people live and they wouldn't know rough if it bit them on the arse.

Whyarepeople · 14/04/2026 16:23

Doesn't the fact that a 'deprived' comp exists not make your blood boil? Why does everyone just seem to accept it as a fact of life?

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 14/04/2026 16:25

@Whyarepeople I’m saying this kindly, but that wasn’t going to happen at Ruth Perry’s school. The issue there was a safeguarding infringement and the savvy middle classes near Reading would forgive that! It was in many respects a brilliant school loved by parents.

The op says “challenging comprehensive” not me! I just responded. We all know some schools are not great and parents will always justify not wanting them. It’s human nature. Before ofsted everyone knew what the crap schools were. Parents just know and there’s huge differences in quality and learning. People should learn to say nothing but that’s not human nature. Most people justify wanting better and of course make things up! Doesn’t mean others have to listen and that they cannot support the least desirable schools. They usually have places and need more dc.

hmmhahahohoho · 14/04/2026 16:26

Kadiofakit · 14/04/2026 15:22

These 'crappy' schools that MC parents in my area avoid like the plague are really not that bad at all! They have a rough element to it created by the fact that their middle class neighbours avoid it like the plague but have really decent teachers and a lot more pastoral care that I have seen elsewhere.

Those absolute sinkhole/awful/stabby schools that always come up on these threads do not exist in my area of London, I would go so far to say anywhere in London these days. they really don't, it is as you say TS in the head of these parents.

My experience of the areas of London I am thinking of is 10 years ago, but a quick google of social media in the areas tell me that they are as dangerous now as they were then. They are not necessarily "poor" areas though, they are a mix of wealth and poverty. Perhaps your area is avoided because it is "poor" but doesn't have youth gangs and drugs issues - I can think of a couple of areas like that too.
I am now wondering what area you are in...! But you probably can't say.

nearlylovemyusername · 14/04/2026 16:30

hmmhahahohoho · 14/04/2026 16:18

It is difficult to respond without knowing where you live. I have lived in various areas of London and burbs and in many areas knives, drugs are a real and serious problem, in some classes are streamed but in classes which are not streamed around 80 percent of the class could be not engaging (for many many reasons) and it is extremely difficult to learn in those conditions. Statistically private schools are going to be streets ahead in academics, it really is as simple (and unacceptable in my view) as that. State schools will have changed significantly since you were at school. Right now there seems to be a trend for extreme punishment ie detentions for everything under the sun be it a forgotten pencil or a tie not straight which raises stress levels. Raised stress levels due to noise,

It shouldn't be like this. Academic standards in state schools should be far higher, but are atrocious because of "progressive" idealogy being popular for most of the last 50 odd years. Behaviour management should be informed by research and it isn't, but is more likely to be along those lines in private schools (not always the case obviously).

But I agree with you that comments like "the mothers have a can in one hand and a fag in the other and have 10 kids are appalling, as it is suggesting that most people in deprived areas, or are poor, are bad parents which is rubbish.

I think the concerns expressed about state schools are more about safety, learning, mental wellbeing than to do with social climbing

Social problems associated with private schools are things like both parents workaholic professionals, no supervision or guidance, kids have time and money to abuse on drugs and alcohol so it isn't as though you can send your kids there and just let them get on with it either, ha.

Social problems associated with private schools are things like both parents workaholic professionals, no supervision or guidance, kids have time and money to abuse on drugs and alcohol so it isn't as though you can send your kids there and just let them get on with it either, ha.

Have you or your kids attended private schools? your relatives, friends or colleagues? do you have any stats to back this expression up?

Both of my DC were privately educated, a lot of families in my social and professional circles educate privately. Your statement is not something I recognise at all. Both parents are very likely to be successful professionals, but yet I see a lot of involvement, supervision, control, homework always done etc. People who send their kids to private schools don't send them there and "just let them get on with it". Most state school parent don't do this either, but numbers of those with "a can of coke in one hand, a fag in the other and 10 kids" is significant enough to cause a lot of pain.

Tigerbalmshark · 14/04/2026 16:30

There’s a happy medium isn’t there? A socially mixed school is fine, a sink school where your kid is going to stick out like a sore thumb for being “posh” because both parents work, or where kids can’t go up the road in their school uniform because it’s the wrong postcode and they risk getting stabbed, is not the same as an outstanding mixed London comp is it?

FlyingApple · 14/04/2026 16:31

I went to a crap school and I would never recommend that anyone choose to send their kids to one if they can help it.

It also seems far worse at crap schools than even back then.

I wish my parents had sent me to a better school, would've probably needed far less therapy 😂

Whyarepeople · 14/04/2026 16:33

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 14/04/2026 16:25

@Whyarepeople I’m saying this kindly, but that wasn’t going to happen at Ruth Perry’s school. The issue there was a safeguarding infringement and the savvy middle classes near Reading would forgive that! It was in many respects a brilliant school loved by parents.

The op says “challenging comprehensive” not me! I just responded. We all know some schools are not great and parents will always justify not wanting them. It’s human nature. Before ofsted everyone knew what the crap schools were. Parents just know and there’s huge differences in quality and learning. People should learn to say nothing but that’s not human nature. Most people justify wanting better and of course make things up! Doesn’t mean others have to listen and that they cannot support the least desirable schools. They usually have places and need more dc.

So you're saying an inadequate rating, the lowest possible, would have no effect on the reputation of the school? Really? As a former teacher I don't agree with you for one second. I taught in a school that was in special measures. It was a fantastic school - the best I ever taught in - yet people in the local area who didn't have children there told me, to my face, that it was rough and 'filled with a bad element' purely based on its Ofsted rating. They were morons but they reflected the general attitude, which is that a bad Ofsted rating=bad school=rough school.

Incidentally the worst school I ever taught in was rated outstanding. I actually have flashbacks and anxiety dreams about it. It was beyond horrific.

Heronwatcher · 14/04/2026 16:34

My old area of London was “naice” but all the state secondary schools had a knife arch and were 80% black/ Asian. Lots of muggings for phones/ bikes too. I am sure my DS probably would have been ok (their results were not bad) but he’s neurodivergent (ADHD) and pale white hair/ freckles. I thought he’d be a walking target and didn’t want that for him.

You’re right that if all the middle class European kids from his excellent primary had gone there things might have evened out, but I didn’t want my DS to be the canary in the coal mine. So we moved house to the Home Counties (there were other reasons). Other similar families also moved, did the 11+, went private, commuted an hour to religious schools etc.

You can call it selfish/ insufferable if you want, I call it common sense and looking after your own. No one wants to feel like they’re not doing the best for their kids.

MrsBrownsBum · 14/04/2026 16:34

MN is so classist. My god.

Catlady007007 · 14/04/2026 16:34

Doesn’t mean others have to listen and that they cannot support the least desirable schools. They usually have places and need more dc

A few years ago, one of my kids did an activity The sport was set by ability rather than age. My kid was good at it and after a while I noticed was not being moved up. I asked the organisation about it and was told that by leaving my kid in the class, it pushed the rest of the cllass to strive better.

While that is great for the rest of the class, it hindered my child and I ended up having to move my kid into another organisation so my kid could progress.

Why on earth would I leave my kid there for the 'greater good'? I want my kid to be pushed and to achieve their potential. The same for schools. Why would I leave my academic kid in a school in the hope that other kids would follow their lead. That isn't MY kid's objective and no parent in their right mind would say otherwise.

Whyarepeople · 14/04/2026 16:35

MrsBrownsBum · 14/04/2026 16:34

MN is so classist. My god.

From experience I don't think it's just MN, I think it's a general English thing, it's just that people are far more blatant about it when they're anonymous.

22ztr · 14/04/2026 16:35

I didn’t realise how pervasive classism was until I left britian. Yanbu put you posted on a middle class site so you’ll get slaughtered.
i find them so judgemental of everything - screen time, sugar, extra curricular activities, grades. You name it, they one up it.
my mental heath improved exponentially the moment I left it all behind

hmmhahahohoho · 14/04/2026 16:35

@IMustDoMoreExercise your long post - all of this is a central government issue, or should be. The system doesn't reflect just how many problems there are with behaviour in schools now, and how much has changed.

As soon as a child becomes a danger to others they should not be excluded but be moved to a specialist school which has sufficient expertise to help them, protect other kids and the teachers. It is likely that provision should increase for this although it also sounds as though it isn't being used as it should be at the moment

We know why children become violent. And at the point at which they are a risk to others, that should be moment at which they are absolutely required to be moved to schools which can help them properly.

And there needs to be strict rules and criteria applied, and where there is discretion, a central advisory point

A lot should be changed across the board in terms of what children are being taught, a return to a more traditional curriculum but with increased pastoral care - the amount of inappropriate material available to teens at the moment is eye watering.

All this fannying around and articles being written - if only we had a more competent system of leadership.

AprilMizzel · 14/04/2026 16:36

And the area we live in is full of creative types, ostensibly left wing etc but also seem to hold these reactionary views when it comes to their kids.

Doesn't surpise me at all - and I don't think it's anything new either - parents tend to want best for their own kids.

When we moved only one secondary was really good and we couldn't afford house prices that side of city nor could DH easily commute in.

So we went for a decent school that had spent nearly a decade improving itself. It crashed while my DC were there and turned into one of the worst in area of low results anyway - it was nearly entire time of second kid attending it was in special measures.

My kids did okay to really good and left at 16 s- younger two year groups over half failed to get the min needed to access post 16 course - it was a huge drop from when eldest started there.

I've been told on here stuff that happen can't have and I was lying and been told it was my fault for not predicting it depsite it being a shock to everyone how quickly it feel apart - covid didn't help at all.

I would have loved a much more postive experince for my DC at secondary. I went to a great school and hated it and DH went to poor school but at worst think kids school was actually worse if only for lack of teachers in middle child GCSE years - it was unbelievable. If private was even remotly afforable to us I'd have paid. As it was our kids got through as we had some money for resources and our edcuation to push them through and older two are now at good uni doing well.

I spoke to another parent who had family at best school in area - state school but the amount of extras just there -clubs, D of E, orchestra local trips - just on tap they were replicating with outside school agencies but the amount of money and running around to offer her kids what their cousisn just had sat there was insane.

State vs private is a distraction. The huge disparity in state section that hides behind inequlity excuses is just staggering.

Gwst · 14/04/2026 16:36

Ubertomusic · 14/04/2026 15:32

Quoting you: complaining about drugs etc when this is an issue that 100% doesn't affect their demographic.

This is so hypocritical and snobbish it's hilarious in the context of your OP 😂

Of course drugs are a problem across all demographics - what I'm talking about is the way certain middle class parents in my area (some social problems but rapidly gentrifying) use "drugs" as a reason not to send their kids to the local school when the visible drug problems locally are generally among the homeless population so not directly affecting their demographic

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T34ch3r · 14/04/2026 16:37

nearlylovemyusername · 14/04/2026 16:30

Social problems associated with private schools are things like both parents workaholic professionals, no supervision or guidance, kids have time and money to abuse on drugs and alcohol so it isn't as though you can send your kids there and just let them get on with it either, ha.

Have you or your kids attended private schools? your relatives, friends or colleagues? do you have any stats to back this expression up?

Both of my DC were privately educated, a lot of families in my social and professional circles educate privately. Your statement is not something I recognise at all. Both parents are very likely to be successful professionals, but yet I see a lot of involvement, supervision, control, homework always done etc. People who send their kids to private schools don't send them there and "just let them get on with it". Most state school parent don't do this either, but numbers of those with "a can of coke in one hand, a fag in the other and 10 kids" is significant enough to cause a lot of pain.

I know, right? My neighbours send their DCs to private, and they’re both primary teachers in state schools. Hardly the stereotype described upthread. Perhaps I should start curtain twitching to see whether their unsupervised children with more money than sense have a cocaine dealer…

Rachelshair · 14/04/2026 16:40

Agree. I grew up in a very middle class village which had a small and perfectly safe council estate at one end. My house was next to said estate. My parents were asked more than once "if we had any trouble from the estate people" Like they were subhuman for living on an estate. No justification whatsoever, no particular crimes happening or anything, just stigmatising poorer people.

Cosimarocks · 14/04/2026 16:40

I am middle class. Grew up middle class in one of the poorest boroughs in London. My area had a little hub of rather hippy-ish middle class people. Their children (like me) all made the most of the various groups in the area: we all joined the Woodcraft Folk (the hippy version of the Guides/Scouts), all learnt instruments at the very brilliant music academy in the borough; we joined the theatre groups on Sundays and did sports or whatever other things were available.

Up the road, by the high street it was rough and rather poor. My junior school was very mixed, but had all the children from the very middle-class bit in it.

My mother, rather like you I suspect, had rather idealised – good really – thoughts about what society and education should be. She was furious when, towards the end of my primary education, all the parents of the other middle class children at my school started signing their children up for schools further away or to private schools. My mother thought that we should, no matter our backgrounds, all attend the same local schools. That (and she was arguably correct in this) that if those from middle class backgrounds attended the local schools then those schools would benefit from that.

My parents were divorced. My father wanted to send me to a public school in central London. If not there, then at least a school in a neighbouring borough that had an incredible reputation. My mother was furious that he dare suggest it. She persuaded me that I should go to my local school. It was rather easy to do, I was 11 and she pointed out that it was a ten minute walk away: that I could be back home before 4pm and have the evening to play. I chose that. It was a dreadful mistake.

My secondary school was rough. It was ranked as one of the worst in the country. There were muggings and violence in the corridors. Some of our teachers were great, but most had either given up completely or just acted as crowd control. Lessons were mostly disrupted by shouting, violence, and other such things. Even when the teachers were brilliant there were issues. I had some wonderful English teachers, who really inspired me to write, but the Head of English decided that splitting the year into sets based upon ability was elitist and unfair. The school had something like 20% of students recent immigrants and 60% whose first language wasn’t English. Now that’s great, education for them is vital and some did really well. But it did rather disadvantage the rest of the class when we had to go at the speed and ability of the less able. I spent an awful lot of time be told to do ‘quiet reading’ or to write a poem. The English department had also decided that grammar was too much and so didn’t teach it. Something I still struggle with the effects of to this day, and any I have is self-taught. (Incidentally my dyslexia wasn’t picked up on until university as nobody noticed).

Kids often struggled too by having even the smallest thought of learning beaten out of them (often physically) by parents who would tell them that something like wanting to learn to read was ‘poncy’ of them and who did they think there were?!

During my time at school I was bullied regularly. My name was rarely used, I was ‘poshy’ or ‘boffin’. There was violence in corridors and to teachers. Lunchtimes were regularly cancelled when fights between our school and the neighbouring school broke out on the streets around the school (police, knives, etc) and those not outside were locked in the school grounds to keep us safe. I was once mugged one night by a group of 5 very large hooded men. I recognised them from my school and my mother made me report them to the police and the head teacher. The next day they stormed into my classroom, pushed the teacher out of the way, pushed me up against the wall and told me what awful things they’d do to me if I spoke to the police again.

Some of us made it out. Of those of us who were bright and had supportive parents many went on to sixth form (thankfully our secondary school didn’t have one and so we had no choice but to go elsewhere) and a good number went on to University. But, looking at my form class (those I know of), three are pharmacists, two used to work on the local market, one is an estate agent, several work in their parents shops or building businesses, a few are teachers, there are two nurses and a doctor, one was sent to Bangladesh before taking her GCSEs (she never did) and came back married to a man 15 years older than her, one was stabbed to death when he was 19, three were convicted of gang rape and went to prison, one is still in prison for armed robbery, and one was sentenced for the murder of a homeless man who he and a gang of friends beat to death for ‘looking at him’. And me, who did ok, but still struggle from a fundamental hole in my key education.

Except for one, all of those who went on to sixth form and then university all left the area the moment they could. We still say that we ‘escaped’.

Of the middle class kids from my primary school who were sent to other (‘better’) schools, one is a professional cellist, one a successful actress, two are doctors, three teachers, one is a film producer, one a conservationist, one a barrister, two are solicitors, one a research scientist, one a lecturer, two architects, a few run businesses, and one released two best selling albums before moving into film, and one seems to never have quite finished her gap year travels (20 years on). The rest have normal ‘middle-class’ jobs.

Absolutely, my mother was right – you are right – it shouldn’t be this way and something needs to change. The system is desperately unfair. Unfortunately, my mother’s response was to make me a sacrificial lamb to prove her socialist ideals. Good for her, but it damaged me. My children will go to a state school. But they will go to the best state school we can find in the area and, if they all turn out to be dreadful, then we will see whether there is any way at all we can afford to pay for their education, or, if not, move.

Ineedanewsofa · 14/04/2026 16:42

Whyarepeople · 14/04/2026 16:23

Doesn't the fact that a 'deprived' comp exists not make your blood boil? Why does everyone just seem to accept it as a fact of life?

Because they don’t feel like it will change and they certainly don’t feel like they can change it.
Also because schooling is very important to the individual at certain points in their life and then a background concern (if that) for the rest of it. Those of us outside of the education industry (or public services in general) give a service very little day to day thought until we need that service, then it’s the most important thing in the world!
I don’t know how to change that individualist thinking, do you? Especially in the current climate where everyone, regardless of income level, feels like the UK is a “pay more, get less/worse” system. People need to feel comfortable, and confident in that comfort, before they’ll consider the wider population at all

MrsBrownsBum · 14/04/2026 16:44

Whyarepeople · 14/04/2026 16:35

From experience I don't think it's just MN, I think it's a general English thing, it's just that people are far more blatant about it when they're anonymous.

MN is heavily southern-based so I expect the snobbery. But it is so depressing to read as someone who grew up and still lives in a very deprived area in the north. Yes, there are people who behave as they describe but most of us are just genuine hardworking people who happen to come from a poor area and didn’t get a leg up on connections or family wealth. People in my area are some of the most generous and friendly I’ve ever met. The schools can be poor but when a child is willing to learn and put in the effort, they are fully supported and given the opportunities to go further. I went to a school with a very bad rep, but succeeded and got offers from 5 universities because you get out what you put in. People thinking that their posh schools are going to save their precious children from bad influences are going to be sorely disappointed in the future. They just end up with the money to hide it better.

Flamingojune · 14/04/2026 16:44

Tillyandpippa · 14/04/2026 15:46

I feel similar - I attended by exam results the fourth worst state school in the country - my dads a bus driver and I became a high flying professional earning over 150k per year by age 32. None of these insufferable snobs even believe me. I cannot stand them! They have no idea what its like to go to these schools and one asked me ‘how I became an X if your dad is a bus driver’? I barely speak to any of them now. I actually elected to send my son to a private school far away from them all as I cannot stand their curtain twitching comparison at the local state school 🤣 which is elite in the sense it costs more to buy a house in the area. I love the mic drop when they ask which school catchment we are in and I have to say I dont know as we are going to a private school! LOL!

So although state education allowed you to excel in life, its not good enough for your kids?

hmmhahahohoho · 14/04/2026 16:46

nearlylovemyusername · 14/04/2026 16:30

Social problems associated with private schools are things like both parents workaholic professionals, no supervision or guidance, kids have time and money to abuse on drugs and alcohol so it isn't as though you can send your kids there and just let them get on with it either, ha.

Have you or your kids attended private schools? your relatives, friends or colleagues? do you have any stats to back this expression up?

Both of my DC were privately educated, a lot of families in my social and professional circles educate privately. Your statement is not something I recognise at all. Both parents are very likely to be successful professionals, but yet I see a lot of involvement, supervision, control, homework always done etc. People who send their kids to private schools don't send them there and "just let them get on with it". Most state school parent don't do this either, but numbers of those with "a can of coke in one hand, a fag in the other and 10 kids" is significant enough to cause a lot of pain.

I went to the one of the best private schools in London, as did siblings, we all went to different schools, and I had friends at other private schools.

Out of all the children I knew, a proportion ended up with serious problems. The majority however didn't, they did not have parents who just left them to it, they had parents who were engaged with their dc's studies, took them to museums, showed an interest in what was being studied, and they all did well, they had both academic input and the right level of care from parents.

But I can tell you, by 14 or so, some of the parties showed that some wealthy parents were somewhat absent in some homes. Not something I'd ideally want for DC.

We now live abroad, but are looking to go back and so I am researching the schools we would ideally be looking at, and indeed the sort of problems which existed in my day still exist in some of the schools I am looking at. Not all though.

I am surprised you are disagreeing with me, actually.

Flamingojune · 14/04/2026 16:46

Heronwatcher · 14/04/2026 16:34

My old area of London was “naice” but all the state secondary schools had a knife arch and were 80% black/ Asian. Lots of muggings for phones/ bikes too. I am sure my DS probably would have been ok (their results were not bad) but he’s neurodivergent (ADHD) and pale white hair/ freckles. I thought he’d be a walking target and didn’t want that for him.

You’re right that if all the middle class European kids from his excellent primary had gone there things might have evened out, but I didn’t want my DS to be the canary in the coal mine. So we moved house to the Home Counties (there were other reasons). Other similar families also moved, did the 11+, went private, commuted an hour to religious schools etc.

You can call it selfish/ insufferable if you want, I call it common sense and looking after your own. No one wants to feel like they’re not doing the best for their kids.

Some call it white flight

Ubertomusic · 14/04/2026 16:47

Gwst · 14/04/2026 16:36

Of course drugs are a problem across all demographics - what I'm talking about is the way certain middle class parents in my area (some social problems but rapidly gentrifying) use "drugs" as a reason not to send their kids to the local school when the visible drug problems locally are generally among the homeless population so not directly affecting their demographic

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