Now that America are the baddies what sort of world order are we going for

[CurdinHenry]

Surely we can drum up something positive

Some of the posters who were all over every Iran thread like a rash, cheering the war on for the sake of the oppressed people of Iran etc., are suddenly very conspicuous by their absence...

Its ability to use them in the near future.

Russia’s cash boost - from the Times.
Sanctions relief has been extended by the US until July so a good first half of the year for Russia.

You reckon that there aren't girls as young as 12 in the US being made to marry their adult rapist?

Which it didn't have. The CIA said that Iran was a long way away

This is what is happening in Iran right now and this doesn't include the protestors that were killed on the street, these are the ones arrested and going through sham trials.

That just confirms that this war has not changed anything in Iran

Yes, sadly the war has only served to further entrench the current regime and seems quite likely to further radicalize it.

This "war" has been a disaster for the US (and the world), but its the Iranian people that will continue to bear the brunt.

But to other young people
That isn't the case. Most child marriages in the US are between young girls (as young as 10) and adult men (some aged 60+).

I know the US isn't, by any measure, the worst place to be female - but it is a huge outlier among developed nations as to legality of abuse of girls.

So Trump hasn't saved the Iranian people from their oppressors?

What exactly is he hoping to achieve with this?

Genuinely the only motivation that makes any sense is to distract from the Epstien files. Or perhaps its to further align with Putin/Russia and damage Europe.

People (ignorant ones at least - not you) seem to forget that the US's current, stated primary aim - cessation of nuclear weapons programs - was something that had already been achieved before Trump ripped up the painstakingly negotiated agreement in 2018 - presumably for little reason other than it was signed off on Obama's watch.

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Or just watch one John Wayne film 😁

Baddies or not, we are now definitely one of the little people

Not to the US. To Israel.
And how much margin of error in the timeline to nuclear arms capability is acceptable to you?

I’m not sure that the US actively serves Russias interests. I think it’s more a case that they have accepted that the US and Europe are not strong enough to actually subjugate Russia and need to come to terms with the reality of the situation.

Personally, I think Europe would be wise to do the same.

The US have lifted sanctions on Russia, that serves Russia's interests

The US has stated it wants to destroy socialism, and has taken active steps to do it. It has funded militias and contras in Africa and Central America, and SEAsia. Supplies arms to same, and everyone else. Has lots of nuclear weapons and just threatened to obliterate an entire civilisation. Did use nukes on Japan.

I can’t be arsed to carry on the real equivalency. But it’s real. But but but a democracy is getting thin.

According to Trump, Iran's nuclear programme was "obliterated" last year. But now apparently it was a threat? Not based on any intel, he just said that he could feel it in his bones...

Witkoff was basically coaching the Russians on how to manipulate Trump

America are not "the baddies" by a long shot.

Be careful what you wish for.

They always have been.

They have always been and yet your whole security was dependent on them. That means your leaders have massively failed you 😂

Resolving the issue in Iran will benefit the whole world and more especially the Middle East not just the US. Ofcourse the US has its own interests including countering China and so does Israel but it still benefits the world.

Is the short term pain of higher oil prices good no, but it would be worth it if Iran can be forced to drop its nuclear ambitions and infact end the fucking regime once and for all.

Every single major leader including Starmer agree that the Iranian regime is evil.

"As of April 2026, UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer has strongly condemned the Iranian regime as "abhorrent", citing its brutal domestic crackdown and regional destabilization.

Starmer described the regime as having "murdered thousands of its own people" and destabilized the region, including supporting proxies targeting shipping.

He firmly stated that Iran must never be allowed to possess nuclear weapons"

"European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen stated that "no tears should be shed" for the Iranian leadership, citing the regime's long history of repression, internal killing of protesters, and destabilization of the region through proxies. Speaking amid heightened conflict in March 2026, she expressed support for the Iranian people's desire for freedom and transition away from the current regime."

Not attacking Iran today doesn't mean the issue is resolved it just means it's being pushed to the future for someone else to deal with.

This would be hilarious if it weren’t so consequential.

Sorry but the only point that makes sense in this is the suggestion we dont rely on the US anymore
Rest is delusional crap