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Now that America are the baddies what sort of world order are we going for

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CurdinHenry · 12/04/2026 19:44

Surely we can drum up something positive

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Anyahyacinth · 13/04/2026 14:40

Goldenbear · 13/04/2026 14:32

The 'Leftists in the UK', I don't think it's only the Leftists that are worried about the damage to the world economy.

…and human rights and the rule of law…beginning wars because you ANTICIPATE events and make excuses…isn’t self defence…they are illegal wars and each bomb a war crime.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 13/04/2026 14:41

Anyahyacinth · 13/04/2026 14:38

So summary execution is ok if we like the nationality of the people carrying it out? You’ve abandoned any justice, the Geneva Convention because your guys can do anything? 🤦‍♀️

What's summary execution, go on tell me. When did the US execute Iranian citizens, oh wait it was the evil regime that did that but you're upset at Trump.

You're all bloody hypocrits driven by your hatred for Trump

https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/

The Pope is telling Trump off but was silent about the thousands killed in Iran, laughable.go on show me once where the Pope addressed the killing of thousands by Iranian agents? Go on???

Chain of lights against the Iranian government

Iran Protest Death Toll Could Top 30,000: Local Officials

According to two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health who spoke with TIME.

https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/

hahabahbag · 13/04/2026 14:42

Less America more just Trump - most Americans want peace like the rest of us. As for the rest of the world, China likes power but mostly wants money therefore needs peace to trade, Russia doesn’t really have the influence or power it once did. We need to stop bickering with Europe over minor things and work together effectively

JaneFondue · 13/04/2026 14:45

Ilovelifeverymuch · 13/04/2026 14:41

What's summary execution, go on tell me. When did the US execute Iranian citizens, oh wait it was the evil regime that did that but you're upset at Trump.

You're all bloody hypocrits driven by your hatred for Trump

https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/

The Pope is telling Trump off but was silent about the thousands killed in Iran, laughable.go on show me once where the Pope addressed the killing of thousands by Iranian agents? Go on???

Here's the Pope addressing the killing of Iranian protesters in January. Is that showing you once?
https://www.holyseegeneva.org/news/pope-calls-for-patience-and-dialogue-in-iran-and-syria/

Pope calls for patience and dialogue in Iran and Syria - Permanent Mission of the Holy See Geneva

At the end of the Sunday Angelus, Pope Leo prays for peace in Iran, where protests continue, and Syria, where the army is battling Kurdish forces in the city of Aleppo. He also condemns the recent Russian strikes on Ukrainian civilians.

https://www.holyseegeneva.org/news/pope-calls-for-patience-and-dialogue-in-iran-and-syria

sunnyafternoon2026 · 13/04/2026 14:48

JaneFondue · 13/04/2026 11:08

I am not sure how Iranian girls can escape child marriage if they are dead by US bombing. Afghan girls didn't manage it.
Liberating women from the skies has never worked.

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Even though the school bombing took c160 lives, Iranian girls aren't all dead from US bombing. Exaggeration doesn't help your cause. Any country that allows child marriage is anti women. These girls need every support available.

JaneFondue · 13/04/2026 14:50

sunnyafternoon2026 · 13/04/2026 14:48

Even though the school bombing took c160 lives, Iranian girls aren't all dead from US bombing. Exaggeration doesn't help your cause. Any country that allows child marriage is anti women. These girls need every support available.

By allows, do you mean legally? Or tacitly? Because child marriages happen in the US, India, Pakistan, Nepal, Burma, Indonesia and many other countries.
Can you explain how bombing Iran will help child brides?

sunnyafternoon2026 · 13/04/2026 14:56

JaneFondue · 13/04/2026 14:50

By allows, do you mean legally? Or tacitly? Because child marriages happen in the US, India, Pakistan, Nepal, Burma, Indonesia and many other countries.
Can you explain how bombing Iran will help child brides?

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I mean any country including those you state (haven't checked how factually correct your comment is) should never allow child marriage.
Bombing Iran to get rid of the theocratic Islamic regime would help women who live there. So far this hasn't happened but the war is far from over, sadly.

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/04/2026 14:57

Being against the US attacks and playing word games is supporting the fucking regime simple.

Don't be ridiculous.🙄
It's possible to despise more than one murderous regime at a time.🤷‍♀️

DdraigGoch · 13/04/2026 14:58

Ilovelifeverymuch · 13/04/2026 14:36

Being against the US attacks and playing word games is supporting the fucking regime simple. you're more angry at Trump than all the atrocities committed by the regime.

Yes I am happy the bloody Ayatollah is fucking dead and I hope the US and Israel finish the job to prevent us having to deal with this again in a few years.

The fact that's every major middle eastern country supports the US and Israel should tell you how destabilizing Iran is for the region. And the bigger issue is countries like Saudi Arabia have made it clear that of Iran gets a nuclear weak so will they now imagine how volatile the region will be when you have multiple countries with nuclear weapons.

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No it isn't. People capable of having more than one thought in their heads at the same time can despise lots of dictators. Khamenei, Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, Kim - all of them.

JaneFondue · 13/04/2026 15:01

sunnyafternoon2026 · 13/04/2026 14:56

I mean any country including those you state (haven't checked how factually correct your comment is) should never allow child marriage.
Bombing Iran to get rid of the theocratic Islamic regime would help women who live there. So far this hasn't happened but the war is far from over, sadly.

I see. Child marriage is legal in 34 US states, by the way. At last count, some 300, 000 children had been married between 2000 to 2024.
I can't link for some reason, but you can look up those stats for yourself.

DdraigGoch · 13/04/2026 15:01

sunnyafternoon2026 · 13/04/2026 14:48

Even though the school bombing took c160 lives, Iranian girls aren't all dead from US bombing. Exaggeration doesn't help your cause. Any country that allows child marriage is anti women. These girls need every support available.

Bombing the country "back to the stone age" doesn't do anything to help girls in Iran.

The US allows child marriage, so by your reckoning it too must be anti-women.

DdraigGoch · 13/04/2026 15:03

JaneFondue · 13/04/2026 15:01

I see. Child marriage is legal in 34 US states, by the way. At last count, some 300, 000 children had been married between 2000 to 2024.
I can't link for some reason, but you can look up those stats for yourself.

Some of the girls involved in US child marriages are as young as 12 years old.

TopPocketFind · 13/04/2026 15:07

Ilovelifeverymuch · 13/04/2026 14:32

Hahahah genocide my ass and yet you praise the Iranian regime that forced women and children to surround assets to prevent them being bombed.

Trump threatened to commit genocide hey you give the Iranian regime who killed thousands of protestors just a couple of months ago a pass, what a bunch of hypocritical sanctimonious bullshit.

The US strikes have been targeted again military and regime leaders and military infrastructure compared to Iran who has been bombing airports and hotels and it's neighbours and don't get me started with all the many people killed by the Iranian regime in Israel etc and even British, American and Canadian citizens, all the chaos sowed through proxy terrorist organizations.

I've already shared quotes by literally every major leader saying Iran will never be allowed to own a nuclear weapon but now we all play the hypocritical game.

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I have not praised the Iranian regime so stop those lies

Obama negotiated the JCPOA, Trump tore it up.

Trump started the war in Iran

TopPocketFind · 13/04/2026 15:18

sunnyafternoon2026 · 13/04/2026 14:56

I mean any country including those you state (haven't checked how factually correct your comment is) should never allow child marriage.
Bombing Iran to get rid of the theocratic Islamic regime would help women who live there. So far this hasn't happened but the war is far from over, sadly.

So far it hasn't happened.

Women and children have lost their lives, both in Iran and Lebanon. How many more civilians do you think should die before a regime change happens?

Overtheatlantic · 13/04/2026 15:19

@Ilovelifeverymuch time for your nap, and take your blood pressure medicine.

Notonthestairs · 13/04/2026 15:20

Overtheatlantic · 13/04/2026 15:19

@Ilovelifeverymuch time for your nap, and take your blood pressure medicine.

They are in the US so they've only just got up!

Screamingabdabz · 13/04/2026 15:26

JaneFondue · 13/04/2026 11:24

No. The world isn't as black and white as you think, or separated into goodies and baddies, because it isn't a video game.
Iranians can want to be liberated from the regime, and yet not want to be killed by US bombing.

The whole world can see that the blameless Iranian people are being held hostage in all this chaos but that still doesn’t mean the Americans have ‘always been baddies’ which is what you said. Up until Trump lost his mind they were a civilised democratic country and a close ally. Hopefully they still are and will be.

Trump is a concern, but let’s not put him on the top of the bonfire and let all the other nutjobs off. At least Trump and his bros have to be publicly seen to be grounded by Protestant values and the promise of the American dream. Other megalomaniacs do what they want including torture, rape, executions etc. let’s get some perspective.

JaneFondue · 13/04/2026 15:30

Sorry, no @Screamingabdabz I don't think US foreign policy has confirmed to democratic values, a deep respect for women and fairness. It's always been entirely motivated by self-interest.

Is it better than Iran or N Korea? Sure. But that's a low bar.

StandFirm · 13/04/2026 15:39

Golden407 · 13/04/2026 14:13

It’s a nice idea but just like us the rest of Europe is completely impotent in a military sense. Without the US, Europes foreign policy is going to be focused on placating Russia

But what can be done when the US administration actively serves Russia's interests??

JustSawJohnny · 13/04/2026 16:13

Hodofls · 13/04/2026 00:17

Yep. They've just stopped pretending now.

Thank fuck the EU are prepared to entertain us!

Mistyglade · 13/04/2026 16:16

TomeTome · 13/04/2026 00:12

Israel and the US have clearly shown who they are.

Yeh Israel should lay down and die while perpetually attacked and massacred by the Islamic regime.

TheLivelyAzureHedgehog · 13/04/2026 16:17

CurdinHenry · 12/04/2026 19:44

Surely we can drum up something positive

Er… unlikely, going by the evidence to date. Humans and human societies don’t work like that.

TopPocketFind · 13/04/2026 16:35

Mistyglade · 13/04/2026 16:16

Yeh Israel should lay down and die while perpetually attacked and massacred by the Islamic regime.

So destroying Lebanon and Gaza is justified?

CookingFatCat · 13/04/2026 16:37

A united Europe could kick ass.

EveyHammond · 13/04/2026 16:38

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