Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

In terms of deaths, it’s absolutely XL’s leading the stats.

Labs are the most popular breed in the country I think so yes maybe in minor bites. But ripping you apart? Nope.

A Labrador would have to have rabies, or some other dreadfully painful illness, before it would kill anyone.

What will they do with the information?

Enlighten me.

Tragic 😢 poor child

Are you REALLY unable to work out what might happen to information passed to the authorities?

Agreed. These dogs - particularly since the ban - are disproportionately owned by people who don't follow rules and are themselves aggressive.

I was on a train recently and someone got on with one of these dogs. It became apparent the owner hadn't bought a train ticket and the inspector just let it go - and thank god, everyone in the carriage was terrified that the man would get riled up and it would set off the dog. People can say 'it's not the breed it's how they're raised' all they like - I don't believe it's true of XL Bully anyway, but in any case of course the illegal dogs with a reputation for aggression are not bought by responsible owners.

Never, according to the stats on Wiki. 14 of the latest 16 deaths, though.... List of fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

That's horrendous.

He's literally holding you all hostage.

Keep publicising and complaining to anyone who'll listen: local newspapers, local schools, local councillors. Don't stop until it's properly safe for the children.

I reported an unmuzzled XL in our north hampshire town centre last year. On a fucking stupid feeble extendable lead walked by a twat with his face full of metal. I got photos too as it pissed me off so much.

A police officer called me back a few days later with a half arsed lengthy explanation about how they couldn't possibly tell what breed of dog it was. Tbh, I didn't need a call as it wasn't my problem anymore. But the police officer didn't appear to think it was anything they needed to check. Pissed me off as that dog was dangerous.

I could not disagree with you more strongly. In all of human history, horrible tragedies have been the starting point for legal and societal reforms that have saved and/or improved people's lives. Of course this kind of event should engender discussions.

This death occurred in a home, not in public.

It will be popular on here as MN is notoriously anti-dog and threads like these are a klaxon to the germaphobes/haters etc like yourself. However the UK is still a nation of mostly animal lovers and dog ownership is a huge part of our culture.

I am a dog owner and lover and I absolutely think all XL’s should be humanely PTS. They are not really dogs - they are a mutant breed with the DNA of a dodgy firework ready to explode.

I agree there should be harsher punishments for owners proven to have broken the law either around the banned breed requirements or dog out of control. But I think it’s a little extreme to suggest state sanctioned execution for them.

Debate can be had without using a child’s death and without saying ‘child dead, AIBU.’

Using a dead child to further your own agenda is grim, at best and disgraceful at worst.

Go on.

The only time I was bitten, it was a tiny Yorkshire terrier.. he snapped at my hand, nicked it with his sharp teeth and drew blood. He didn’t keep on biting, he was an anxious dog and the bite was my fault. I was a child at the time, I was used to dogs but I misjudged this, I’d reached my hand towards him and he was nervous and protective of his owner, so snapped at me.
XL bullies aren’t giving warning snaps. Part of the problem seems to be that they attack with no warning, out of enjoyment rather than fear or stress. I saw some of the horrifying footage a while ago, of a man being attacked (he was subsequently killed). The XLB was wagging his tail, it was fun and enjoyment to the dog, not like normal aggression in a dog, really shocking to see. They are incredibly powerful, go for the neck, and do not appear to care when people try to hit them to get them to stop the attack.

But not an XL bully that op claimed it will definitely be? 🤨
As others have said, a poor young child has died - that is more important than speculating on the breed of dog that killed her.

It is absolutely shocking. It's just going to be a given that half a dozen people per year will die until all the dogs live their full lifespan..imagine being OK with that. I guess it mostly only affects people in poor areas which we know no government cares about.

I've not read all of the posts. But I run as a hobby, for fitness and mostly to keep my brain from noodling.

I've been bitten twice by dogs, I've had several close calls. Only one of those close calls was with an XL Bully "type" of dog (I'm not an expert). Many of them and both actual bites were with small dogs. Sure they're not going to do as much harm as a thing just built on muscle but they can do enough especially to a young child.

It's not only XL Bullies that can be dangerous and while 99% of dog owners are fine (it's always the owner's fault, not the dog), there is 1% who are not.

The warning signs I see are:

• Does not recall. I.e. if the owner calls the dog back, they do not respond.
• Running after other people (especially combined with the above) in a way which is obviously not in control.
• Jumping up at someone else who is not their owner. Again, especially combined with lack of recall.
• Owner does little to stop the behaviour.
• Owner blames the other person, not their dog. (One thing I've heard from two owners was "it chased you because you were running". No. It chased me because it was poorly trained.)

You know what both owners told me before their dog bit me "they're just being friendly". You know what both told me after they did "they've never done that before".

So my request, if you think you might be in that 1% or perhaps not totally sure you're not is to think it's not just about XL Bullies but about training and how much you'd beat yourself up if your dog harmed a child.

There is a reason police forces pick certain breeds of dog for different tasks. Breeds have different temperaments. There is a reason that criminals who use dogs for fighting pick certain breeds of dog to do so. Breed does matter.
The human adds another dimension.

I am almost of the view a sort of police force to monitor and manage dog related issues is needed. There are too many people dying as a result of dogs.

Same. We are not allowed lions tigers etc to roam about why should these killers be let loose?

Agreed

Vile ugly dangerous things

Sorry, not playing your game. Educate yourself. The Internet has endless possibilities for you to do so.

After my last run in with a poorly trained dog and poorly trained owner, I did contact local police and the council. My suggestion was to put out some awareness campaigns for the signs of aggression / poor training and what could happen. Hey if people want to be the big man and buy a big aggressive dog, it will probably do very little. But it might help those who may not kill a child but could end up scarring one for life.

(I got no reply by the way.)

sure, it’s every other week we get a news report about another lab going beserk and ripping someone’s face off in an unprovoked attack 🙄