Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

No but imagine the free for all if we didn't have those laws. OK people don't obey a 30 limit but they will generally stick to 40. If there were no limit - people would do 70 (and yes, I know sometimes they still do but it's infrequent and that's why it makes the news).

Also - we need to get around. We don't "need" pets. Want and need isn't the same. There should absolutely be barriers to pet ownership (and not just dogs).

@igelkott2026

I wish the train companies would restrict them to one carriage and be strict about it. (where I live trains are 4 carriage units and you can have 12 carriages, so they'd still have a choice of three carriages to sit in).

Again there are simple ways to address this. Various countries laws include muzzling all dogs or dogs above a certain size or that can't be in a carrier, limiting access to dogs based on size -typically if you can't pick them up. Some countries require you carry a muzzle and guards will ask you to put it one the dog if it isn't well socialised. But yes restricting to one area, as they frequently do on ferries, would also work.

How many killings does there have to be before action is taken?

It is getting like guns in America where dog owners simply refuse to believe there is a problem because their dogs never hurt anybody.

We do not have a constitution that gives people the right to own dogs.

I absolutely agree there should be barriers to pet ownership, if for nothing else than for the benefit of the animal.

Don't be silly. Maybe have a lie down.

Agree with everything you’ve said.

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This is getting ridiculous 😢

And again, in social housing.

I'm sorry but the truth is, there would be a lot fewer attacks and deaths if dogs (or large dogs) were banned from council and social housing. 😢

It is the dog that killed someone, not the house. The house and type of tenancy has nothing to do with it.
My mum is in a council house and has a soppy 40kg greyhound.

I agree but I think it would be hard to enforce. We need pet ownership to be severely restricted, especially dogs, over a certain body weight might be the best criteria. If you claim your beloved monster dog is 'soppy', then too bad. Your options are small dog or no dog.

Thankfully that is not the case, so stamp your feet all you want.

Yes but you can't deny it is constantly the same type of people in the same situations that this is happening to.

We're all going to pay for this with more legislation, except of course, the people who don't give a damn about the law and will get the latest hard dog to scare the neighbourhood with.

A baby was killed by a Pomeranian some years back.

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Another spate.

All I can say to anyone, is keep yourself and your children as far away as you can from bully breed dogs (yes, I know one was a lurcher this past week, that doesn't change the incredible danger bully breed dogs post to humans).

Don't be afraid of looking like you're overreacting, just get up and leave.

We have left parks, parties, pub beer gardens, shops and restaurants when I've noticed a bull breed dog has appeared. Mid-meal at times. Any business that allows these dogs is signing up to have customers leaving to save their lives frankly.

Don't be the moron that thinks it won't happen to you and lets your child have a playdate at someone's house with a bull breed dog, or who is afraid of attracting ire by getting up and leaving if you're in a beer garden and it'll be obvious that's why you're leaving.

Your life is literally at risk. Do what you can to protect yourself, given that we don't carry weapons capable of stopping them (and fatal damage can be done in an instant).

Again. Hundreds of thousands of bull breeds and bully type dogs. Not marauding through the streets of the U.K., killing and maiming.

You take your chances love. Go for it. The rest of us will reduce the risk as best we can.

It genuinely does. We've stopped giving them to ours. They'll all happily chew on them for an hour or so, then get bored. Then one of them remembers there are chicken wings and goes around collecting them all. Then the others realise one of them has all of the chicken wings and the growling and posturing starts, which alerts the cat to the presence of chicken wings and WW3 erupts. The cat usually wins.

We give them frozen sardines instead, even they take them a good 10 minutes to get through.

I'm always baffled when people claim chihuahuas can kill. I mean, maybe, if you're ant and they're feeling particularly hungry.

I'm with you. I keep a lookout for dogs and give most of them a very wide berth, always cross the road, dont use alleyways, make sure I'm never at close quarters with any but the smallest dogs.

The thing in the beer garden that is most likely to lead to someone your care about suffering an accidental or violent death isn't the bull breed dog, it's the alcohol. If you really have any desire to reduce unnecessary deaths, including those of young children and other vulnerable people, banning alcohol would have far more impact than banning some breeds of dog (or indeed all dogs).

Yes!
Watch out for bottles of beer smashing themselves and trying to kill you with the broken glass, or bottles of spirits pouring themselves down your throat & causing alcohol poisoning!

@Cocabuta
I suspect what most people are talking about when they talk of a ban is a ban on pet dogs as opposed to working dogs.
As I observed upthread, a functional population of working dogs is to a considerable extent supported by a large population of pet/sport dogs. If you want police and military dogs, you need a population of ring sport dogs and their obsessive trainers and breeders. If you want sniffer and detection dogs, you want a population of gundogs and their trainers and breeders.

People who work with dogs often don't have the time to delve into developing training, so changes and improvements come from sport and pet trainers, who compete with their dogs to test how well they've trained them.

You also get dogs in the working and sporting groups that don't pan out and end up in the pet population.

The people who demand that we 'ban all dogs' or 'ban pet dogs' have no idea of the impact of what they're asking for.

If you aren't aware of the role alcohol plays in violent crime and accidental deaths then there's not really much I can do to help you.

Or the drunk person running over a pedestrian, or the alcoholic who damages his children due to the drama, unpredictability and upset during their formative years.

I've known three people who lost close relations to drunk drivers, and several families where alcoholism caused a lot of emotional damage.

You seem to be on a mission to try to fog the issue that these dogs can kill grown men, never mind children.