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Parental estrangement. What do you secretly think?

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Orphlids · 08/04/2026 13:11

I’m interested in outsiders’ views on estrangements between parents and their adult children. If you’ve met, or were to meet someone, and then discovered they were estranged from both their adult children, what would your initial thoughts be, assuming you knew nothing more about how the estrangement came to happen?

UABU - you wouldn’t think negatively about the parent. You’d be prepared accept the adult children were perhaps unpleasant, or difficult people. You’d feel sorry for the parent.

UANBU - you’d suspect the parent’s poor behaviour was more likely to have caused the estrangements, and you might view that person with suspicion.

Which is closer to your view? I’d be interested in any thoughts, if you’d like to comment in further detail.

OP posts:
EwwPeople · 09/04/2026 12:23

booklover82 · 09/04/2026 12:14

Thank you for this, really helpful.

It is of course difficult to be objective and everyone has their own perspective, but I'd say don't judge from the outside, although it's all too easy to.

I'm a parent of a child in their late teens in low contact, currently NC with me. I'm certainly in many (perhaps most) ways at fault and accept their criticisms and have apologised, and have tried to actively address most of them and co-operated with all external agencies who have been involved, but I have found it hard to understand my child's reluctance to even talk with externals present or to try to renegotiate our relationship - their preference is just to hide under the wing of their new partner and their family, who enable the situation.

I had in many ways dysfunctional parents and stepparents who never apologised for anything but I kept reaching out to them and am in contact with all who are alive or who haven't estranged themselves from me.

I guess I would just hope for a little more emotional bandwidth and forgiveness when it is asked for, combined with tangible examples of a desire to change. Everything seems to be so final and extreme these days.

The thing with your post, which would make me give you the benefit of the doubt / want to know more / accept it as a fact and move on is that you admit you fucked up. In fact, you seem to be taking most of the blame. That’s a massive difference from the”I have no idea wha I did!” , which instantly screams red flag to me.

Muffsies · 09/04/2026 12:33

GreyCarpet · 09/04/2026 11:41

I'm talking about the people you describe, whose interest, rather than being geology or learning an instrument or cultural history (or whatever rocks and bagpipes were supposed to suggest), is other people's personal business and family circumstances.

Sure, no one has a right to know those things, and no one should feel that they have to share them.

But many people have an interest in family relationships bc it's all part of the "human condition", and us being humans many find it very interesting (or helpful for understanding their own relationships).

Greymatterwriter · 09/04/2026 12:38

booklover82 · 09/04/2026 12:14

Thank you for this, really helpful.

It is of course difficult to be objective and everyone has their own perspective, but I'd say don't judge from the outside, although it's all too easy to.

I'm a parent of a child in their late teens in low contact, currently NC with me. I'm certainly in many (perhaps most) ways at fault and accept their criticisms and have apologised, and have tried to actively address most of them and co-operated with all external agencies who have been involved, but I have found it hard to understand my child's reluctance to even talk with externals present or to try to renegotiate our relationship - their preference is just to hide under the wing of their new partner and their family, who enable the situation.

I had in many ways dysfunctional parents and stepparents who never apologised for anything but I kept reaching out to them and am in contact with all who are alive or who haven't estranged themselves from me.

I guess I would just hope for a little more emotional bandwidth and forgiveness when it is asked for, combined with tangible examples of a desire to change. Everything seems to be so final and extreme these days.

My parents came from extremely large families. In my father’s family children left home at 13/14/15 and moved countries because there was absolutely no work locally, that was extremely common in rural families.

I don’t believe that there was a great time in the past where estrangement didn’t happen. Some of these people after leaving home would be to all modern standards LC/NC with family but how would you even know because communication expectations were so different.

I say that because I think people judge this modern situation as a “trend” but versions of it always existed in families that were very dysfunctional. It just didn’t have the modern awareness of it happening.

I would give anything to have parents who tried to approach the dysfunction in our family the way you have with your child but you can see from their own background why avoidance and running away from issues might be all they learned growing up. They do however carry these experiences that they refuse to process and take out their trauma on others particularly me inappropriately so I have to stay well away from them.

I hope over time you get a good outcome to your situation. It is very painful.

Newgirls · 09/04/2026 12:59

booklover82 · 09/04/2026 12:14

Thank you for this, really helpful.

It is of course difficult to be objective and everyone has their own perspective, but I'd say don't judge from the outside, although it's all too easy to.

I'm a parent of a child in their late teens in low contact, currently NC with me. I'm certainly in many (perhaps most) ways at fault and accept their criticisms and have apologised, and have tried to actively address most of them and co-operated with all external agencies who have been involved, but I have found it hard to understand my child's reluctance to even talk with externals present or to try to renegotiate our relationship - their preference is just to hide under the wing of their new partner and their family, who enable the situation.

I had in many ways dysfunctional parents and stepparents who never apologised for anything but I kept reaching out to them and am in contact with all who are alive or who haven't estranged themselves from me.

I guess I would just hope for a little more emotional bandwidth and forgiveness when it is asked for, combined with tangible examples of a desire to change. Everything seems to be so final and extreme these days.

You sound very self aware so that’s a big improvement on many. I guess your kid has chosen a peaceful life and doesn’t want to have to deal with therapy and facing your relationship issues. Focus on building your own happy life - that’s all we can all do

Lastknownaddress · 09/04/2026 13:02

Greymatterwriter · 09/04/2026 12:38

My parents came from extremely large families. In my father’s family children left home at 13/14/15 and moved countries because there was absolutely no work locally, that was extremely common in rural families.

I don’t believe that there was a great time in the past where estrangement didn’t happen. Some of these people after leaving home would be to all modern standards LC/NC with family but how would you even know because communication expectations were so different.

I say that because I think people judge this modern situation as a “trend” but versions of it always existed in families that were very dysfunctional. It just didn’t have the modern awareness of it happening.

I would give anything to have parents who tried to approach the dysfunction in our family the way you have with your child but you can see from their own background why avoidance and running away from issues might be all they learned growing up. They do however carry these experiences that they refuse to process and take out their trauma on others particularly me inappropriately so I have to stay well away from them.

I hope over time you get a good outcome to your situation. It is very painful.

I was going to say something similar actually. I know of at least 3 instances in "living" prior generations where estrangement occurred. And at least one in my great great grandparents generation. As people's lives became more mobile their ability to move away made it much easier.

There is definitely generational trauma in my family. It makes it easier to understand what has happened, but no easier to live with. Breaking the cycle is sometimes the only solution.

ToadRage · 09/04/2026 13:04

I couldn't vote. It could be anything. I don't know anyone who is wholly estranged from their parents, but I am LC with my Mum and I believe that it's due to her bad behaviour but she probably believes its cos I'm unreasonable/too sensitive/need to grow up.

arionater · 09/04/2026 13:08

I think there’s a difference between being estranged from one child and being estranged from all or several. I would be more suspicious of the latter but I’m middle aged and I can immediately think of examples of adult-child estrangement both ways round — parent clearly at fault in some cases and adult child unreasonable in others. So really I would conclude a dysfunctional family but not more than that.

Netcurtainnelly · 09/04/2026 14:57

Thundertoast · 08/04/2026 14:37

Agree with all of this.
There's a lot of people out there who think that because you are related to someone, you are entitled to behave in however way you see fit and still be entitled to that person's company. If my best friend was otherwise wonderful, but made constant comments about my weight, or my child's weight, I wouldnt have her in my life. Yet constant weight comments from parents would by most people's standards not be 'enough' to cut a parent out. Anything that means you dont enjoy spending time with that person is a good enough reason - just because a particular combination of people had sex doesnt entitle someone to your company for eternity.

Spot on.

S0upertrooper · 09/04/2026 19:59

My brother's 2 adult children are NC with him. He maintains his ex influenced the situation, however he was an arse of a Disney Dad and repeatedly let the kids and his ex down. I'm sure some adult children have been manipulated to go NC with a parent, but I'd be suspicious of someone who had no contact with multiple AC.

DotTheBorderCollie · 10/04/2026 00:03

I've read a number of responses in this thread saying if it's more than one child estranged then it's probably the parents' fault - but if it's only one child estranged it's probably that child's fault.

Regarding the latter opinion, I'd like those responders to consider the following:

In many dysfunctional families what often happens is that all the issues that the family won't face are dumped by the parents onto one child, who then often unwittingly fulfils the role of the designated scapegoat.

Over the years this child becomes the repository of the family's problems, the 'problem child,' because they are often the canary in the coal mine who speaks up about things that aren't normal.

And for having the audacity to speak up and question the insane status quo, this child is squashed, punished, gaslit and becomes convinced that they are in fact the cause of all the problems.

Over the years, this dysfunctional coping strategy on the part of the parents means that they can avoid facing their own massive issues and can continue to convince themselves that they are just fine and can also look wonderful to the outside world.

A mentally ill mother, for example, and an enabling father can present themselves as wholly innocent victims and perform this act of saintly faux-innocence ('I just don't know what we've done wrong') which is often extremely convincing to all and sundry, as most people want to believe that most parents are decent people. Meanwhile the scapegoat child is alone, demonised, sad, disbelieved, minimised and misunderstood, usually with no help forthcoming.

As one of a family of five, I can categorically tell you that all my siblings and I found our parents' behaviours extremely challenging. However, I as the scapegoat was the only one who went NC for a time as a middle-aged adult. Basically, I had to protect my own mental health as I had some significant complex PTSD symptoms.

Predictably my parents 'had no idea' why, even though I told them. They refused to listen when I tried to explain so I then wrote a very clear and detailed letter to them explaining the decades long patterns of emotional abuse which culminated in their ordering me out of their house when I alone faced them and represented myself and my siblings about a range of the issues.

So yes, I was the only child in my family who became estranged from my parents. And many people - and apparently many here - would automatically think it was my fault because on the surface of it I was the only child to do so in my family. People are of course welcome to their opinions, even when they have no idea of what they're talking about. However, my decision was in reaction to decades of dysfunction, a decision to save my sanity. I was brave enough to do it. But it's not for everyone. It was extremely difficult and I felt an enormous amount of pain over it.

I have also worked with many people who are estranged from family members and I can tell you that no child ever takes this decision lightly. It is often only done after years of soul-searching and after trying absolutely everything, including trying to be understanding of parents who continue to prioritise how they look to the outside world over taking accountability for the highly problematic ways in which they related to their children.

I forgave my parents long ago. My father died last year and we had some good moments together before he passed. My mother is still who she is, a highly challenging individual who can never see herself as anything less than 'always wanting the best for everyone.' I visit her weekly in her aged care facility for an hour or so because she's lonely. It's what I can live with.

tldr: I think people who make snap judgements about who was at fault are either lacking in experience of estrangement or they didn't have difficult parents. And to those people I say: how lucky you are.

Newgirls · 10/04/2026 09:15

I agree. If a solo child has gone NC that is a big deal and I don’t assume it’s their fault at all. In fact I know some solo adults who probably should have gone NC due to some terrible behaviour by their parent but couldn’t due to FOG. Having a sibling might have helped them.

there are sadly some terrible parents out there and if we don’t understand that then we are lucky

Greymatterwriter · 10/04/2026 09:26

DotTheBorderCollie · 10/04/2026 00:03

I've read a number of responses in this thread saying if it's more than one child estranged then it's probably the parents' fault - but if it's only one child estranged it's probably that child's fault.

Regarding the latter opinion, I'd like those responders to consider the following:

In many dysfunctional families what often happens is that all the issues that the family won't face are dumped by the parents onto one child, who then often unwittingly fulfils the role of the designated scapegoat.

Over the years this child becomes the repository of the family's problems, the 'problem child,' because they are often the canary in the coal mine who speaks up about things that aren't normal.

And for having the audacity to speak up and question the insane status quo, this child is squashed, punished, gaslit and becomes convinced that they are in fact the cause of all the problems.

Over the years, this dysfunctional coping strategy on the part of the parents means that they can avoid facing their own massive issues and can continue to convince themselves that they are just fine and can also look wonderful to the outside world.

A mentally ill mother, for example, and an enabling father can present themselves as wholly innocent victims and perform this act of saintly faux-innocence ('I just don't know what we've done wrong') which is often extremely convincing to all and sundry, as most people want to believe that most parents are decent people. Meanwhile the scapegoat child is alone, demonised, sad, disbelieved, minimised and misunderstood, usually with no help forthcoming.

As one of a family of five, I can categorically tell you that all my siblings and I found our parents' behaviours extremely challenging. However, I as the scapegoat was the only one who went NC for a time as a middle-aged adult. Basically, I had to protect my own mental health as I had some significant complex PTSD symptoms.

Predictably my parents 'had no idea' why, even though I told them. They refused to listen when I tried to explain so I then wrote a very clear and detailed letter to them explaining the decades long patterns of emotional abuse which culminated in their ordering me out of their house when I alone faced them and represented myself and my siblings about a range of the issues.

So yes, I was the only child in my family who became estranged from my parents. And many people - and apparently many here - would automatically think it was my fault because on the surface of it I was the only child to do so in my family. People are of course welcome to their opinions, even when they have no idea of what they're talking about. However, my decision was in reaction to decades of dysfunction, a decision to save my sanity. I was brave enough to do it. But it's not for everyone. It was extremely difficult and I felt an enormous amount of pain over it.

I have also worked with many people who are estranged from family members and I can tell you that no child ever takes this decision lightly. It is often only done after years of soul-searching and after trying absolutely everything, including trying to be understanding of parents who continue to prioritise how they look to the outside world over taking accountability for the highly problematic ways in which they related to their children.

I forgave my parents long ago. My father died last year and we had some good moments together before he passed. My mother is still who she is, a highly challenging individual who can never see herself as anything less than 'always wanting the best for everyone.' I visit her weekly in her aged care facility for an hour or so because she's lonely. It's what I can live with.

tldr: I think people who make snap judgements about who was at fault are either lacking in experience of estrangement or they didn't have difficult parents. And to those people I say: how lucky you are.

Edited

@DotTheBorderCollie very well said. Fellow scapegoat here. The background was decades of SA and incest from an older brother towards my elder sister. He abused me as a young child too.

All of my siblings speak to my parents except me, I don’t. My sister is no longer in contact with our brother but she has not been able to face up to our parents part in the family problems.

If I ever hear anything about that family on TV about the Duggar family it always reminds me of my own family, so focussed on outward appearances, then their sons wellbeing and absolutely raging that I wouldn’t stay quiet about the abuse to protect their priorities. They are incredibly harmful for my mental health.

Credittocress · 10/04/2026 09:29

DotTheBorderCollie · 10/04/2026 00:03

I've read a number of responses in this thread saying if it's more than one child estranged then it's probably the parents' fault - but if it's only one child estranged it's probably that child's fault.

Regarding the latter opinion, I'd like those responders to consider the following:

In many dysfunctional families what often happens is that all the issues that the family won't face are dumped by the parents onto one child, who then often unwittingly fulfils the role of the designated scapegoat.

Over the years this child becomes the repository of the family's problems, the 'problem child,' because they are often the canary in the coal mine who speaks up about things that aren't normal.

And for having the audacity to speak up and question the insane status quo, this child is squashed, punished, gaslit and becomes convinced that they are in fact the cause of all the problems.

Over the years, this dysfunctional coping strategy on the part of the parents means that they can avoid facing their own massive issues and can continue to convince themselves that they are just fine and can also look wonderful to the outside world.

A mentally ill mother, for example, and an enabling father can present themselves as wholly innocent victims and perform this act of saintly faux-innocence ('I just don't know what we've done wrong') which is often extremely convincing to all and sundry, as most people want to believe that most parents are decent people. Meanwhile the scapegoat child is alone, demonised, sad, disbelieved, minimised and misunderstood, usually with no help forthcoming.

As one of a family of five, I can categorically tell you that all my siblings and I found our parents' behaviours extremely challenging. However, I as the scapegoat was the only one who went NC for a time as a middle-aged adult. Basically, I had to protect my own mental health as I had some significant complex PTSD symptoms.

Predictably my parents 'had no idea' why, even though I told them. They refused to listen when I tried to explain so I then wrote a very clear and detailed letter to them explaining the decades long patterns of emotional abuse which culminated in their ordering me out of their house when I alone faced them and represented myself and my siblings about a range of the issues.

So yes, I was the only child in my family who became estranged from my parents. And many people - and apparently many here - would automatically think it was my fault because on the surface of it I was the only child to do so in my family. People are of course welcome to their opinions, even when they have no idea of what they're talking about. However, my decision was in reaction to decades of dysfunction, a decision to save my sanity. I was brave enough to do it. But it's not for everyone. It was extremely difficult and I felt an enormous amount of pain over it.

I have also worked with many people who are estranged from family members and I can tell you that no child ever takes this decision lightly. It is often only done after years of soul-searching and after trying absolutely everything, including trying to be understanding of parents who continue to prioritise how they look to the outside world over taking accountability for the highly problematic ways in which they related to their children.

I forgave my parents long ago. My father died last year and we had some good moments together before he passed. My mother is still who she is, a highly challenging individual who can never see herself as anything less than 'always wanting the best for everyone.' I visit her weekly in her aged care facility for an hour or so because she's lonely. It's what I can live with.

tldr: I think people who make snap judgements about who was at fault are either lacking in experience of estrangement or they didn't have difficult parents. And to those people I say: how lucky you are.

Edited

For me it’s the “I don’t know why “ comment that is the tell.

if someone says that it is private then I completely get they don’t want to share the reason. But the I don’t know why just tells me that they refused to listen. They don’t even need to accept the reason as valid, but I fail to believe that anyone before going NC hasn’t tried to express their upset

BlooomUnleashed · 10/04/2026 09:32

booklover82 · 09/04/2026 12:14

Thank you for this, really helpful.

It is of course difficult to be objective and everyone has their own perspective, but I'd say don't judge from the outside, although it's all too easy to.

I'm a parent of a child in their late teens in low contact, currently NC with me. I'm certainly in many (perhaps most) ways at fault and accept their criticisms and have apologised, and have tried to actively address most of them and co-operated with all external agencies who have been involved, but I have found it hard to understand my child's reluctance to even talk with externals present or to try to renegotiate our relationship - their preference is just to hide under the wing of their new partner and their family, who enable the situation.

I had in many ways dysfunctional parents and stepparents who never apologised for anything but I kept reaching out to them and am in contact with all who are alive or who haven't estranged themselves from me.

I guess I would just hope for a little more emotional bandwidth and forgiveness when it is asked for, combined with tangible examples of a desire to change. Everything seems to be so final and extreme these days.

There are three things about forgiveness.

A) It will set you free
B) It cannot be forced and you can’t mantra your way into it
C) When it arrives it does not come with reunion attached

The breaking away of my cage of pain, when forgiveness came from nowhere and washed over me, was instantaneous. The forgiveness remains, all these years later. I’m now older than my parents were when I choked on the rubble dust of them demolishing our family bonds. So I see them more clearly, with my own reality of adulthood & parenthood being contained in human fallibility.

Reunion is not possible. I need my peace, my freedom from other people’s choices & perspectives, in order to stay emotionally stable. I forgive. But I fear the dark place I used to live in when our worlds fell apart. I’m not willing to do anything that risks taking me back there. I have one life. What is left is mine to live, on my own terms.

The decades given over to my quality of life resting on the choices of others have gone. There is no getting them back. But I have now. And I choose the path where I’m best insulated from those who make very human mistakes, that could send me off-kilter.

I choose me. I wish it could be another way. I wish I could magic away the pain that caused and causes. I wish there were a time machine so I could back and steer them differently with hindsight. I wish I could feel safe enough to give the relief of reunion.

But I don’t.

And there are no genies in bottles, no handy Tardis, no magic wands to make things different.

I have a family I created and they are my priority. They need me to use that hindsight for their sakes. They need me to choose them over the ghost of the girl I was that still wants her mum and dad, and for everything to be alright like none of it ever happened.

booklover82 · 10/04/2026 09:36

BlooomUnleashed · 10/04/2026 09:32

There are three things about forgiveness.

A) It will set you free
B) It cannot be forced and you can’t mantra your way into it
C) When it arrives it does not come with reunion attached

The breaking away of my cage of pain, when forgiveness came from nowhere and washed over me, was instantaneous. The forgiveness remains, all these years later. I’m now older than my parents were when I choked on the rubble dust of them demolishing our family bonds. So I see them more clearly, with my own reality of adulthood & parenthood being contained in human fallibility.

Reunion is not possible. I need my peace, my freedom from other people’s choices & perspectives, in order to stay emotionally stable. I forgive. But I fear the dark place I used to live in when our worlds fell apart. I’m not willing to do anything that risks taking me back there. I have one life. What is left is mine to live, on my own terms.

The decades given over to my quality of life resting on the choices of others have gone. There is no getting them back. But I have now. And I choose the path where I’m best insulated from those who make very human mistakes, that could send me off-kilter.

I choose me. I wish it could be another way. I wish I could magic away the pain that caused and causes. I wish there were a time machine so I could back and steer them differently with hindsight. I wish I could feel safe enough to give the relief of reunion.

But I don’t.

And there are no genies in bottles, no handy Tardis, no magic wands to make things different.

I have a family I created and they are my priority. They need me to use that hindsight for their sakes. They need me to choose them over the ghost of the girl I was that still wants her mum and dad, and for everything to be alright like none of it ever happened.

Your situation does not sound in any way comparable to my child's.

WhatNextImScared · 10/04/2026 09:36

I always think the fault is on the part of the parent.

Unless they’ve been brainwashed by an abusive partner, when a child estranges themselves it is because they have been done genuine harm to, whether by abuse or more often just by clumsy parenting and - this is the MOST important bit - when they’ve tried to repair that as adults the parent has failed to listen, rebuild, connect and recalibrate the relationship.

Estrangement hurts. If a child thinks it hurts less than being in contact with a parent then there’s something seriously wrong there.

Sartre · 10/04/2026 09:37

DotTheBorderCollie · 10/04/2026 00:03

I've read a number of responses in this thread saying if it's more than one child estranged then it's probably the parents' fault - but if it's only one child estranged it's probably that child's fault.

Regarding the latter opinion, I'd like those responders to consider the following:

In many dysfunctional families what often happens is that all the issues that the family won't face are dumped by the parents onto one child, who then often unwittingly fulfils the role of the designated scapegoat.

Over the years this child becomes the repository of the family's problems, the 'problem child,' because they are often the canary in the coal mine who speaks up about things that aren't normal.

And for having the audacity to speak up and question the insane status quo, this child is squashed, punished, gaslit and becomes convinced that they are in fact the cause of all the problems.

Over the years, this dysfunctional coping strategy on the part of the parents means that they can avoid facing their own massive issues and can continue to convince themselves that they are just fine and can also look wonderful to the outside world.

A mentally ill mother, for example, and an enabling father can present themselves as wholly innocent victims and perform this act of saintly faux-innocence ('I just don't know what we've done wrong') which is often extremely convincing to all and sundry, as most people want to believe that most parents are decent people. Meanwhile the scapegoat child is alone, demonised, sad, disbelieved, minimised and misunderstood, usually with no help forthcoming.

As one of a family of five, I can categorically tell you that all my siblings and I found our parents' behaviours extremely challenging. However, I as the scapegoat was the only one who went NC for a time as a middle-aged adult. Basically, I had to protect my own mental health as I had some significant complex PTSD symptoms.

Predictably my parents 'had no idea' why, even though I told them. They refused to listen when I tried to explain so I then wrote a very clear and detailed letter to them explaining the decades long patterns of emotional abuse which culminated in their ordering me out of their house when I alone faced them and represented myself and my siblings about a range of the issues.

So yes, I was the only child in my family who became estranged from my parents. And many people - and apparently many here - would automatically think it was my fault because on the surface of it I was the only child to do so in my family. People are of course welcome to their opinions, even when they have no idea of what they're talking about. However, my decision was in reaction to decades of dysfunction, a decision to save my sanity. I was brave enough to do it. But it's not for everyone. It was extremely difficult and I felt an enormous amount of pain over it.

I have also worked with many people who are estranged from family members and I can tell you that no child ever takes this decision lightly. It is often only done after years of soul-searching and after trying absolutely everything, including trying to be understanding of parents who continue to prioritise how they look to the outside world over taking accountability for the highly problematic ways in which they related to their children.

I forgave my parents long ago. My father died last year and we had some good moments together before he passed. My mother is still who she is, a highly challenging individual who can never see herself as anything less than 'always wanting the best for everyone.' I visit her weekly in her aged care facility for an hour or so because she's lonely. It's what I can live with.

tldr: I think people who make snap judgements about who was at fault are either lacking in experience of estrangement or they didn't have difficult parents. And to those people I say: how lucky you are.

Edited

Agree. My mum’s partner has two adult daughters. One is like me- highly educated, married, owns her home, stable home life and children etc. She is NC with him, my Mum says it’s purely because she didn’t get money from the sale of her family home (he sold it and used the proceeds to buy home with my mum). I’m sceptical personally because she has enough of her own cash from what I can tell.

His other DD is off the rails- worked in a strip club for a while but did extras shall we say, does OF, on benefits as well, moves house constantly, SS involved on/off with her child and she went to prison once. She talks to him constantly (perhaps too much) and asks for his support constantly.

The dynamic is weird to say the least. Their mum was a drug addict. I don’t know what to think really but it’s hard not to question why the stable daughter is NC, I think there’s more to it than my mum claims.

Credittocress · 10/04/2026 09:39

booklover82 · 09/04/2026 12:14

Thank you for this, really helpful.

It is of course difficult to be objective and everyone has their own perspective, but I'd say don't judge from the outside, although it's all too easy to.

I'm a parent of a child in their late teens in low contact, currently NC with me. I'm certainly in many (perhaps most) ways at fault and accept their criticisms and have apologised, and have tried to actively address most of them and co-operated with all external agencies who have been involved, but I have found it hard to understand my child's reluctance to even talk with externals present or to try to renegotiate our relationship - their preference is just to hide under the wing of their new partner and their family, who enable the situation.

I had in many ways dysfunctional parents and stepparents who never apologised for anything but I kept reaching out to them and am in contact with all who are alive or who haven't estranged themselves from me.

I guess I would just hope for a little more emotional bandwidth and forgiveness when it is asked for, combined with tangible examples of a desire to change. Everything seems to be so final and extreme these days.

True apology and desire for change doesn’t come with expectation on the recipient or strings attached.

WhatNextImScared · 10/04/2026 09:40

Loulou4022 · 08/04/2026 13:29

I take as I find.
My husband’s daughters are both NC with him due to the divorce and their mum being toxic. He admits he wasn’t the best husband the first time round though neither was she the best wife.
He is an amazing partner and husband to me but I believe that often our relationships can reflect our own behaviour and I also think he’s learnt a lot from his marriage breakdown and divorce.
For context I spent 13 years with an absolute dick of a man then 7 years on my own. I was more that happy lodging with my parents and thought a relationship would be a nice icing on the cake but was more than happy on my own and would never have even gone on a second date let alone married him if he was anything other than amazing!!

Is he not motivated to try to repair the relationship? If he reaches out regularly eg at birthdays and they never respond that’s one thing. But if he was not regularly reaching out that would change my view of the father I’m afraid.

PartQualifiedAcca · 10/04/2026 09:41

I kind of have an issue with my wider family because of course they only ever get the estranged parents point of view and their version of events
Nobody goes to their sisters and their sister’s husbands and explains that their husband is a paedophile, but they’re staying with them and they’re continuing to live with them despite them serving three years
It’s very hard

PartQualifiedAcca · 10/04/2026 09:42

WhatNextImScared · 10/04/2026 09:40

Is he not motivated to try to repair the relationship? If he reaches out regularly eg at birthdays and they never respond that’s one thing. But if he was not regularly reaching out that would change my view of the father I’m afraid.

Even if he’s reaching out to them sometimes the damage is so great that that’s just not gonna cut it
And they leave out a lot of detail “bad husband” that’s just a tiny bit that they admit to.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 10/04/2026 09:49

Based on my own experience, I'd probably tend more towards blaming the parent(s). I do sometimes wonder what tale my parents have told their friends about why their overachieving only child has disappeared from their lives.

redskyAtNigh · 10/04/2026 09:50

WhatNextImScared · 10/04/2026 09:36

I always think the fault is on the part of the parent.

Unless they’ve been brainwashed by an abusive partner, when a child estranges themselves it is because they have been done genuine harm to, whether by abuse or more often just by clumsy parenting and - this is the MOST important bit - when they’ve tried to repair that as adults the parent has failed to listen, rebuild, connect and recalibrate the relationship.

Estrangement hurts. If a child thinks it hurts less than being in contact with a parent then there’s something seriously wrong there.

I also tend to the view the fault is the parent's.

A parent/child relationship can never be equal because the parent had the balance of the power for (at least) 16-18 years.

When an actual child, the child was entirely at the mercy of the parent. They would have learned to behave and adapt according to the way their parents treated them and this will have long lasting implications for their later lives.

ContentedAlpaca · 10/04/2026 09:51

Either or neither of those.

We have a neighbour who is very affable and seems to do everything for everyone but we don't notice his children visiting. We can't really draw any conclusions other than something went wrong somewhere.

My fil is similar. People gush about what a charming man he is but he has never made any effort with us or our children. While we aren't estranged and don't feel the lack of effort to be malicious, we have matched his level of effort, eventually, so where did it go wrong. Or did it? Is it us? Is it him?

Patterns repeat themselves. I think therapy can persuade people to cut other people off too easily, but also relationships are tricky and society has become very about the individual.

Actually having written this, I wonder if it's easier to have a surface relationship with acquaintances (I have close friendships but I'm not sure my fil does) than one with family because of an awareness that it should be something more than it is.

booklover82 · 10/04/2026 10:02

Credittocress · 10/04/2026 09:39

True apology and desire for change doesn’t come with expectation on the recipient or strings attached.

What I expect doesn't matter but I would hope to have some sort of relationship with my 17-yo child, so however high-minded it would sound to say I apologise and understand if you never want to see me again I cannot in all honesty say that.