Why so upset about UK (lack of) involvement?

[Orangy]

If the US armed forces are the greatest military force ever assembled, as we’re led to believe, why is Trump getting so angsty about the UK and Europe not getting involved? Surely he doesn’t need us.

Also, if our aircraft carriers are toys and we’re generally a bit rubbish, as he suggests, why would he want our help anyway?

It’s really got under his skin.

AIBU to think he’s just talking a load of old bollocks?

His ego has taken a knock and he's realised that he's standing alone while everyone peers at him with a weird look on their faces and he looks like a cock.

He really believes that he's the best thing ever and just can't fathom not having back up.

He is as mad as a box of frogs.

He genuinely believes that what he is doing is right and can’t get his head round the fact that pretty much the rest of the world thinks he is absolutely stark raving mad.

I’m surprised that people are still coming to the conclusion that Trump is talking bollocks. Obviously he’s talking bollocks.

He thinks he’s the dogs bollocks and that everyone will happily agree with him. His ego genuinely thinks he’s done this great thing and other countries would see this amazing act and follow suit. If we don’t follow suit it’s because we don’t have the strength.

What is actually happening is other countries are watching as the US over-exerts its military presence (Venezuela, Iran) plus the additional threats of Cuba and Greenland. US citizens are seeing prices of everyday items continue to go up. The war is also costing an estimated $2bn a day so the US needs other countries to come in and provide land support before it bankrupts the US. For every other country (and many US citizens) it’s like watching a slow motion car crash knowing there’s nothing you can do to stop it.

Trump doesn’t cope with rejection so he’s goading Starmer. His comments about our military equipment are embarrassing but it seems to be par for the course with him. Much of his behaviour reinforces my opinion that there are too many leaders in this world who have been given far too much power.

I think there’s some kind of elections coming up in America, and President Fart wanted to be out of Iran before then, as it’s unpopular with voters. Unfortunately for him there is no way out currently, so he’s stamping his foot like a toddler having a tantrum.

He’s soon going to have to release the full Epstein Files to distract us from his war.

If we're annoying Trump then we're doing something right. May we never join his brainless campaign of destruction.

You should have 100% in agreement as Trump talks 100% bollocks on a daily basis.
There is no one on this planet that equals his mind numbing stupidity and ability to have the world hate you for just waking each day.

I’m hmm on this, whilst the Uk has no obligation to join a war no-one told us about, our interests are still being damaged and we should care about that. Fuck knows, glad I don’t have to decide.

He's gone into this war with no plan for the outcome. Just bomb bomb bomb

He's an absolute liability. A genuine, 100%, fuckwit

He’s a bullying idiot with no clear directions and flip flops between what he wants and then he doesn’t. The Ukraine war was going to be sorted in a couple of days, well here we are years later, he invaded countries and takes presidents, he goes after Iceland and Canada then drops it, it’s tariffs then no tariffs and he has now invaded Iran (must admit its sounds like Putin and Ukraine, was Trump told it would be over in a few days so he has no long term 0lan like Putin but can’t be seen to back down?)

He expects people to back him up but my guess is everybody’s had enough and won’t enter a war he has started

I agree it’s going to cause us harm, but we don’t need to enter a war he started

I don’t know why people think the USA would spend so much money on something unless they saw some benefit. It’s strangely hysterical these days, people you don’t like do stuff because they are stupid or evil not because they may have a strategic interest that you can’t see or you just don’t understand. Everyone seems to live in a permanent state of bewilderment.

Isn’t the problem though, that we have very little defensive capacity now, and could potentially be quite vulnerable if we were to be attacked (not sure by who) we have depleted our armed services and there is very little money available to increase spending. so I guess he feels he has us over a barrel and we should back him.

I think we are going to come out of this a lot worse, and he will punish us so to speak, and it will cost us a lot of money.

We cosied up to a narcissist, and will be treading on egg shells to ensure he doesn’t turn on us.

Trump now threatening to leave NATO. We have to align ourselves closer to Europe. Whatever, the impact on our already weak economy is going to be huge .

Trump is a liar, a corrupt grifter, a sociopath, a psychopath, a narcissist, an adjudicated sex offender, a cowardly draft dodger who wants to send other peoples kids to war and is showing clear signs of dementia. However, the members of his cabinet are more deluded and sycophantic than the courtiers in the story of the Emperor's New Clothes so no-one will challenge him. They gasp in admiration at his incoherent ramblings like doting parents watching their toddlers perform in their nursery Nativity play.

The war isn't going well and he is being humiliated by Iran and by countries like Poland, Spain and Italy who won't let the USA use their air space so is turning on the UK because, unfortunately, Keir Starmer seems reluctant to tell him to go fuck himself like other countries have done.

I agree with you, however Why would ther have us? We left the EU. We jumped ship and now want back in? What about when trump leaves, are we going to try to jump back in and repair ‘the special relationship’

One 'minor' success in Venezuela and he thought that meant he'd be able to take over the Middle East (followed swiftly by Greenland). Kept on about how he could go everything by himself and nobody needed help from Europe. Then when he's found out that it doesn't really work that way, he kicks off with 'Get your own oil, then' - not exactly rescuing people from oppression there - and then 'You're all shit anyway, I don't need you, nobody likes you'.

That's the point of Nato though isn't it? All for one and one for all. So if we get attacked, the rest of Nato helps defend.

Of course Trump believes Nato should also attack - which seems deluded at best.

Dealing with Trump has not been easy for the rest of the world. You can't trust anything that comes out of his mouth, and he pivots on a sixpence. (Or should that be a dime?). He has no clue how international diplomacy has worked - and he has no comprehension as to why the other world leaders are not like him.

Thank god they are not.

Things aren't going brilliantly for him domestically. He (stupidly) thought invading Iran would a) stop everyone talking about THE files and b) would make him look good in the eyes of the American people. Unfortunately for him, that's not quite working out. The elections coming up should be interesting - I wonder how many he will claim are rigged?

He's fucked. He can't "win" unless he gets troops on the ground, and the US public won't stand for "their boys" coming home in bodybags. All he can do is make a lot of noise and hope he can bluff the US voters into thinking he got what he wanted,

Yes of course that’s point, but the US makes a sizeable portion of NATO. We bring very little to the table defence wise.
We have left it a little late to improve our own defensive and have chosen instead to lie down with dogs and now appear surprised when it’s not working out, the economic fall out for everyone in the UK will be huge.

The countries/people who I would expect to be first in the queue to send ground troops are Israel, Hungary, Slovakia, Argentina, American Christian nationalists, MAGA supporters. Basically those who support Trump.

Why is he not harassing them to sacrifice their children for him, Hegseth and Bibi?

This is a war that cannot be won which is why no other American president ever attempted it. If he tears up agreements made by Obama because of jealousy and he and DUI hire Hegseth can’t be bothered to read briefings dismissing warnings as ‘woke’ that’s on them. Why would the UK send their children to die so Hegseth can cosplay asa medieval Crusader? Lunacy.

Even if the Americans initially ‘win’ there is no conceivable way they can hold the territory indefinitely. It would take thousands of troops to be permanently stationed there to hold off Iranian attacks, at a cost of billions a week forever. Eventually they’d have to bail out like Afghanistan. As they say the Americans spent 20 years and billions of dollars to go from the the Taliban back to the Taliban.

I think when Trump is hopefully voted out , - and more important , accepts the result - Europe as a whole will move closer back to the US. The question is what damage is done in the meantime.
the US elections ? In November will be significant.

The only reasonable explanation is that Trump is a total fucktard.

True. But if it's of no benefit to anyone else, then he's not going to get help, and he can't really be surprised at that.

He is mad as a box of frogs and is playing to the home crowd.

He doesn't care how he is seen internationally as long as enough people in the USA believe him enough to keep him in power and out of prison.

UK being onside helps to legitimise his behaviour at home. The pretence that the US spends billions defending the world and gets nothing back helps legitimise his behaviour at home. Lots of Americans believe this.

All those dead young men and women from other NATO countries and for what? To be told they were way behind where the real fighting was by that coward?

The US bases in the UK and elsewhere aren't here to defend us, they are here to make sure world war 3 happens away from the US.

He has done us a favour, never again can we rely on the USA, there is always a chance another lunatic like him gets in.

Closer ties with Europe, more spending on defence.Develop our own weapons, we can't rely on the US .

Ukraine has shown that Russia is not the military behemoth we were told to be scared of.

A European version of NATO and the only country which has ever used article 5 of NATO excluded.

Sorry for the rant.