Page 5 | Why so upset about UK (lack of) involvement?

Orangy · 2026-03-31T21:05:36+00:00

If the US armed forces are the greatest military force ever assembled, as we’re led to believe, why is Trump getting so angsty about the UK and Europe not getting involved? Surely he doesn’t need us. Also, if our aircraft carriers are toys and we’re generally a bit rubbish, as he suggests, why would he want our help anyway? It’s really got under his skin. AIBU to think he’s just talking a load of old bollocks?

Elbowpatch · 01/04/2026 18:46

Nolongera · 01/04/2026 18:41

I agree, we still have an ability to rearm and a history of fighting and winning.

Imagine us, Germany France and Poland in a firm alliance. I think they might forget about Brexit.

We can never rely on the USA ever again, and it pains me to say it but the French were right.

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You do realise that us, Germany France and Poland are already in a firm alliance?

It’s called NATO.

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Orangy · 01/04/2026 18:46

I’d also go as far to say if Starmer just says the US aren’t our ally and we’re going all in to rejoin the EU, it might actually win him the election.

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WildLeader · 01/04/2026 18:46

The Israelis have been waiting decades for this moment.

finally they have some Epstein dirt on him that’s big and bad enough for him to snap to when Netanyahu says jump.

he wants the rest of the world to join in because then when this all goes to shit he can share the culpability

I am SO proud of Starmer standing up for what’s right and not caving to the orange man’s pressure

also… I can’t be the only one who thinks Epic Tantrum every time they talk about Operation Epic Fury.

LarsenBiceshelf · 01/04/2026 18:47

Ah, the Iran war is a shitshow, so he's now banging on about NATO membership. Deflect! Deflect!

Nolongera · 01/04/2026 18:48

Elbowpatch · 01/04/2026 18:46

You do realise that us, Germany France and Poland are already in a firm alliance?

It’s called NATO.

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Your idea of a firm alliance is one where the major power in it is threatening to leave?

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 01/04/2026 18:56

Nolongera · 01/04/2026 18:48

Your idea of a firm alliance is one where the major power in it is threatening to leave?

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Yes?

Just because one party decides to leave doesn't mean all the rest suddenly stop being friends.

MoreIcedLattePlease · 01/04/2026 18:57

Nolongera · 01/04/2026 18:48

Your idea of a firm alliance is one where the major power in it is threatening to leave?

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The USA doesn't look so 'majorly' powerful right now...

Nolongera · 01/04/2026 19:01

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 01/04/2026 18:56

Yes?

Just because one party decides to leave doesn't mean all the rest suddenly stop being friends.

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They aren't just an average part of it though, they have far greater military capabilities than the rest of us put together.

Which is why I suggested greater spending and stronger ties.

Not sure why you are pushing this.

Elbowpatch · 01/04/2026 19:04

Nolongera · 01/04/2026 18:48

Your idea of a firm alliance is one where the major power in it is threatening to leave?

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One member leaving does not affect the relationship the other 31 member countries of NATO.

29 of those remaining member countries are European. Not all are members of the EU.

BreakingBroken · 01/04/2026 19:11

With or without the US. All countries aligned or not will need to increase their military power or risk being annexed. A large part of the US economy is defense development sales etc. Stop buying their shit, build your own “stuff” and employ your own citizens.
Make your own alliance pack.

User33538216 · 01/04/2026 19:13

He’s just not particularly intelligent when it comes to world affairs unfortunately. He definitely doesn’t understand NATO, which is part of the problem here.

Theyreeatingthedogs · 01/04/2026 19:17

He's fucked up as usual and is trying to rope others in to take the blame.

Foxytights · 01/04/2026 19:26

logicisall · 01/04/2026 16:07

Re Americans seeing benefit in a war with Iran, the majority don't.

28% of Americans strongly or somewhat support the war with Iran, and 59% oppose it, for a net support of -30. Almost all Democrats (88%) oppose the war, while Independents oppose it by a 3-to-1 ratio. Most Republicans support the war (62%), but there's a big gap in support between MAGA Republicans and non-MAGA Republicans (79% support vs. 33%). Because there are about twice as many MAGA supporters as non-MAGA supporters among Republicans, MAGA opinion typically drives overall Republican views.
(Yougov 31.03.26)

This is Trump's war and he's spending US money on an ego trip that expands presidential authority (as per Project 2025). He believes he can do what he likes (see his claim that he could shoot someone on the street in NY and not get arrested), because he has a WH administration in his pocket (or he might be in Miller, Bannon and Thiel's), SCOTUS stuffed with Republican judges and an ineffective Democratic opposition.

The American people are not benefitting from this war, but the Trump family is making gazillions from it. #polymarket

People are just bewildered at how Trump has been getting away with it for so long.

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Is it possible to prove that the Trump family are making money from this war?
If it can be proved then the Democrats should be communicating that fact loud and clear to American voters.

BIossomtoes · 01/04/2026 19:27

Orangy · 01/04/2026 18:46

I’d also go as far to say if Starmer just says the US aren’t our ally and we’re going all in to rejoin the EU, it might actually win him the election.

I think you might be right. Listening to his presser this morning I was so glad that he’s PM now.

AprilinPortugal · 01/04/2026 19:38

Wolverine23 · 01/04/2026 18:30

are there any Trump supporters left in the US aside from raving lunatics that are Christian nationals and racists maybe ?

i can only answer for the American women I met on a recent trip abroad. They were all totally ashamed and wanted to make it clear to the rest of us, from the moment they met us, that they did not support Trump...they were apologising to us 😟

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 01/04/2026 19:53

Trump is shocked that they weren't awed.

aimoe · 01/04/2026 20:39

WildLeader · 01/04/2026 18:46

The Israelis have been waiting decades for this moment.

finally they have some Epstein dirt on him that’s big and bad enough for him to snap to when Netanyahu says jump.

he wants the rest of the world to join in because then when this all goes to shit he can share the culpability

I am SO proud of Starmer standing up for what’s right and not caving to the orange man’s pressure

also… I can’t be the only one who thinks Epic Tantrum every time they talk about Operation Epic Fury.

I think of it as Operation Epstein Fury

WaryCrow · 01/04/2026 21:13

Are there still people wondering about Trump and trying to rationalise his actions? He’s an orange fart who wanted a special military operation of his own.

Really it’s nearly time for the women to step in, box a few ears, knock heads together, and take the boys’ toys off all these fools.

PuttingOutFirewithGasoline · 01/04/2026 21:53

We are apprently hosting 35 nations soon to try and work out how to get the straight open
During the Ukraine crisis starmer hosted tons of EU.people as well.
Many EU countries don't even have an army

I'm struggling to see what brexit has to do with this.

Vaxtable · 01/04/2026 22:22

pusspuss9 · 01/04/2026 17:22

I have extended family in the U.S. The costs of food is quite a bit higher than ours in Europe. They don't have the social backup that we do- often if your job stops you don' have medical insurance or social security. Their taxes are high.
But America pays in a large part for Nato. It has said for many years that Europe should pay at least what they have committed to but they mostly haven't and the American taxpayer has had to make up the shortfall.
where do all those on here blaming American taxpayer for not liking this situation think our responsibility starts?? maybe paying a bit less in a fabulous benefits system and taking a bit more responsibility ourselves for our own defence. Trump is right on this point in my opinion.

@pusspuss9
The US pay 15/16% , Germany 15% and uk and France 10% rest smaller direct to NATO

However the US does spend more of its defence spending at 3.4/4% of its GDP on defence which is higher than current targets but it’s not spent on nato its spent on US military and they can choose to send in troops or not,

The target for nato defence spending is due to go up from 2% to 5% by 2035

so actually Donny is choosing to spend money on his troops, and pays the same rate as Germany into NATO

DuncinToffee · 01/04/2026 22:24

PuttingOutFirewithGasoline · 01/04/2026 21:53

We are apprently hosting 35 nations soon to try and work out how to get the straight open
During the Ukraine crisis starmer hosted tons of EU.people as well.
Many EU countries don't even have an army

I'm struggling to see what brexit has to do with this.

Brexit has made us more vulnerable.

There are only a handful of small countries without an army

busybusybusy2015 · 01/04/2026 22:27

OtherS · 01/04/2026 16:44

Well no, it's a stupid, can-only-fail venture. He wanted to play billy big balls boasting that he's the only president who 'dared' do it when in fact he's just the only president actually stupid enough to do it. Everybody else has enough intellect and geopolitical understanding to know exactly what would happen, which is precisely why it's never been done before. And what everyone knew would happen, did happen - and this collection of clowns just burble that they didn't expect it, like it was some unforeseen masterstroke nobody could have anticipated. Fucking school children could have looked at a map of Iran and explained what would happen.

And if he wanted help with his unwinnable war, maybe he should have told everyone he was starting it before he started bombing. Maybe he should have first assembled an alliance that agreed upon the war's aims, plus individual nations' roles and responsibilities. Maybe he shouldn't have threatened to invade his allies. Maybe he shouldn't have thrown stupid, ignorant insults at his allies. Maybe he should have read a history book and learnt that America is the only country that has ever requested help from NATO - and NATO responded. And even without invoking NATO, the US is always demanding help with other doomed ventures like Iraq, Vietnam etc - and every time, allied forces are dragged into disastrous, bungled wars run by incompetents which end in embarrassing defeat. Why on earth would anyone sign up for more of the same?

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This. On 12th September 2001, NATO triggered Article 5. The day after 9/11. No argument, no delay. Knowing what the cost would be. Because the US had been attacked and that's what the treaty is for. And NATO turned up for them. Trump was right that the NATO partners haven't been spending what they promised, over-reliance on the US. But it is unbelievable that he's pretending to his electorate that anyone should have turned up for an offensive attack on another country.

MidnightMeltdown · 01/04/2026 22:44

pusspuss9 · 01/04/2026 17:22

I have extended family in the U.S. The costs of food is quite a bit higher than ours in Europe. They don't have the social backup that we do- often if your job stops you don' have medical insurance or social security. Their taxes are high.
But America pays in a large part for Nato. It has said for many years that Europe should pay at least what they have committed to but they mostly haven't and the American taxpayer has had to make up the shortfall.
where do all those on here blaming American taxpayer for not liking this situation think our responsibility starts?? maybe paying a bit less in a fabulous benefits system and taking a bit more responsibility ourselves for our own defence. Trump is right on this point in my opinion.

And what does NATO spending have to do with Trump waging an illegal war, bombing innocent civilians in Iran, and threatening to destroy their clean water supply?! Trump is like Hitler, why on earth would Europe support him?

BIossomtoes · 01/04/2026 22:52

MidnightMeltdown · 01/04/2026 22:44

And what does NATO spending have to do with Trump waging an illegal war, bombing innocent civilians in Iran, and threatening to destroy their clean water supply?! Trump is like Hitler, why on earth would Europe support him?

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Added to that the US isn’t making up any shortfall. Germany has a population roughly a quarter the size of the US yet contributes the same.

Laurmolonlabe · 01/04/2026 23:23

He started a war without any idea what he was doing- he thought it would be really easy, so he continued to tell us we are rubbish, because that helps his ego. Then lo and behold he finds out winning a war without parameters or objectives, or any idea of what you are doing is pretty tough,. Having dug himself a hole insulted us and having painted z target on our backs he expects us to help him get out of it- which really just goes to show how delusional he is.