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Why so upset about UK (lack of) involvement?

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Orangy · 31/03/2026 22:05

If the US armed forces are the greatest military force ever assembled, as we’re led to believe, why is Trump getting so angsty about the UK and Europe not getting involved? Surely he doesn’t need us.

Also, if our aircraft carriers are toys and we’re generally a bit rubbish, as he suggests, why would he want our help anyway?

It’s really got under his skin.

AIBU to think he’s just talking a load of old bollocks?

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EcoChica1980 · 01/04/2026 13:59

He doesn't want Amercian ships to be sunk or soldiers to be killed and so, shamefylly, has tried to bully his 'allies' into sending theirs.

He started a fight and want's someone else to finish it for him.

itsadlibitum · 01/04/2026 13:59

The whole "we don't have enough military resource" is a red herring too. Why on earth should other countries be deploying their armed forces for a war he's started over, it seems, not really much at all. An alliance isn't stepping up and doing whatever some lunatic state head says. We still have agency and the right to determine what conflicts we want to get involved in. It'd be different if the US has been attacked, but that is not the case here (it was for 9/11 and look where that got us).

I would not be at all surprised if it's all for stock market manipulation. There's already talk of insider trading and I am sure Trump knows exactly how his wild statements impacts the markets. Do we not think he might share those with his friends (perhaps over an underaged girl or two).

aimoe · 01/04/2026 14:08

pinck · 01/04/2026 12:36

This post is absolutely fucking wild.

The US military isn’t some video game character with unlimited range and instant teleport. Geography is a thing. Logistics are a thing. Time is a thing. You don’t just snap your fingers and appear everywhere at once with fuel, intel, supply chains, and regional access magically handled.

That’s literally why alliances exist.

It’s not about “needing help because you’re weak,” it’s about not being stupid. Forward bases, shared intel, staging points, regional knowledge—those all come from allies. You want to operate in Europe or near it? Cool, you’re working with Europe. That’s how the real world works.

Acting like the US should just solo everything from across an ocean isn’t strength, it’s a misunderstanding of how modern military operations even function.

Like… god damn, this isn’t Call of Duty.

"it’s about not being stupid." 🙄

The very definition of stupid is unilaterally starting a war and expecting others to jump in and finance it with money and lives because... allies. Thank goodness Europe won't play ball.

BIossomtoes · 01/04/2026 14:14

I don’t know why people think the USA would spend so much money on something unless they saw some benefit.

It’s not the USA, it’s Trump and his merry men. This war is very unpopular domestically not least because there is no benefit. He’s painted himself into a corner under the illusion that because other countries, notably the UK, have always supported US wars in the past. He’s like a child who’s never been told no before.

Morriba · 01/04/2026 14:20

Ihatethistimeline · 01/04/2026 13:50

Oil company owners do well not the populations of their countries. The owners of Exxon may do well but the average US consumer will soon find that the prices of goods rise because component parts are made abroad e.g the cheap clothes manufactured in Asia, the parts that make up electronics etc will be developed in impacted countries.

Americans won’t see the immediate price rise like people in Europe and Asia but it will eventually come to them indirectly.

Yes but anyone with a personal financial stake in the oil companies eg the potus himself will do well. He's not bothered about regular USA citizens.

BiteSizeByzantine · 01/04/2026 14:22

Day one, bomb a school full of children.

Oh no! why wont all the governments join me in this endeavour after people have watched this sort of thing for 2 years solid.

itsadlibitum · 01/04/2026 14:23

BIossomtoes · 01/04/2026 14:14

I don’t know why people think the USA would spend so much money on something unless they saw some benefit.

It’s not the USA, it’s Trump and his merry men. This war is very unpopular domestically not least because there is no benefit. He’s painted himself into a corner under the illusion that because other countries, notably the UK, have always supported US wars in the past. He’s like a child who’s never been told no before.

I think we can be confident Trump will benefit from this economically - personally of course. Or he wouldn't do it.

I was also listening to a pod cast that said he is obsessed with making a name in history for himself. It's why he's been chasing that Nobel peace prize, and it's driving a lot of what he does. He wants to go down in history.

ShanghaiDiva · 01/04/2026 14:23

pinck · 01/04/2026 12:36

This post is absolutely fucking wild.

The US military isn’t some video game character with unlimited range and instant teleport. Geography is a thing. Logistics are a thing. Time is a thing. You don’t just snap your fingers and appear everywhere at once with fuel, intel, supply chains, and regional access magically handled.

That’s literally why alliances exist.

It’s not about “needing help because you’re weak,” it’s about not being stupid. Forward bases, shared intel, staging points, regional knowledge—those all come from allies. You want to operate in Europe or near it? Cool, you’re working with Europe. That’s how the real world works.

Acting like the US should just solo everything from across an ocean isn’t strength, it’s a misunderstanding of how modern military operations even function.

Like… god damn, this isn’t Call of Duty.

But it is incredibly stupid not to have agreement from your allies before starting the war.

BIossomtoes · 01/04/2026 14:34

He wants to go down in history.

He’ll get his wish but not in a good way.

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 14:43

ShanghaiDiva · 01/04/2026 14:23

But it is incredibly stupid not to have agreement from your allies before starting the war.

Was there time though? Protesters were being killed by the thousands.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 01/04/2026 15:12

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 14:43

Was there time though? Protesters were being killed by the thousands.

You think Trumps done this because Iranian civillians were being killed?

They were just the convenient excuse. He started this war because he was worried about his own skin, and thought that bombing another country would distract from all the other shit.

CoastalCalm · 01/04/2026 15:13

Because he really believes he is in charge of the entire planet

NorthernJim · 01/04/2026 15:15

Because he has the mental age of a 5 year old? Americans love him.

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 15:19

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 01/04/2026 15:12

You think Trumps done this because Iranian civillians were being killed?

They were just the convenient excuse. He started this war because he was worried about his own skin, and thought that bombing another country would distract from all the other shit.

It doesn't matter, the protestors needed help and someone came along to help them. If you're being killed, would you really be fussy about who saves your arse?

If it was Putin, you'd all be praising him.

BiteSizeByzantine · 01/04/2026 15:24

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 14:43

Was there time though? Protesters were being killed by the thousands.

Do you actually honestly believe, hand on heart, given their history, the the USA went on a bombing run to help protestors?

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 01/04/2026 15:24

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 15:19

It doesn't matter, the protestors needed help and someone came along to help them. If you're being killed, would you really be fussy about who saves your arse?

If it was Putin, you'd all be praising him.

Edited

In what way has Trump helped the protesters?

And what's Putin got to do with it? He's even more of a colossal bellend than Trump is

OtherS · 01/04/2026 15:33

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 15:19

It doesn't matter, the protestors needed help and someone came along to help them. If you're being killed, would you really be fussy about who saves your arse?

If it was Putin, you'd all be praising him.

Edited

But he hasn't saved anyone's arse. Quite the opposite, he's making Iran far more powerful than they have been in decades. They're selling more oil than ever, and making an absolute fortune which they're using to fund the war. And they now know how much power they have and are almost certainly going to be able to use that knowledge to demand money from anyone using the straight, plus the removal of sanctions and treaties promising they will not be attacked any more. All this ridiculous adventure has achieved is to strengthen Iran and shore up the scummy ayatollahs' regime. Things are going to be far worse for the Iranians now, with little prospect of improvement.

Not to mention it's hugely depleted American ammunition, plus offered a handy demonstration of American tactics and capability. Which I'm sure China is watching with great interest.

So far, the Trump administration has only benefited Russia, China and Iran, whilst doing enormous damage to everyone else. Presumably next on the agenda is to do something nice for Kim Jong Un. MNKGA.

Lastrollo · 01/04/2026 15:36

Haven’t saw trumps most recent comments on this but I expect if he is increasingly annoyed it’s because he thinks the more join in the more legitimate the war looks.

And he’s annoyed the UK isn’t foolishly following them into war the way Blair would’ve done.

Or maybe he’s trying to play up to the reform type crowd by needling the current government?

BIossomtoes · 01/04/2026 15:39

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 15:19

It doesn't matter, the protestors needed help and someone came along to help them. If you're being killed, would you really be fussy about who saves your arse?

If it was Putin, you'd all be praising him.

Edited

If you think that was his motivation you’ll believe anything.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2026 15:41

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 14:43

Was there time though? Protesters were being killed by the thousands.

As if Trump was concerned about the deaths of protesters! US forces killed 165 school children on the first day of the war and Trump has not expressed a single word of sympathy or remorse.

DuncinToffee · 01/04/2026 15:46

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 15:19

It doesn't matter, the protestors needed help and someone came along to help them. If you're being killed, would you really be fussy about who saves your arse?

If it was Putin, you'd all be praising him.

Edited

Putin invaded another country. Nobody is suggesting bombing Russia for the way he treats the Russian citizens.

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 15:49

OtherS · 01/04/2026 15:33

But he hasn't saved anyone's arse. Quite the opposite, he's making Iran far more powerful than they have been in decades. They're selling more oil than ever, and making an absolute fortune which they're using to fund the war. And they now know how much power they have and are almost certainly going to be able to use that knowledge to demand money from anyone using the straight, plus the removal of sanctions and treaties promising they will not be attacked any more. All this ridiculous adventure has achieved is to strengthen Iran and shore up the scummy ayatollahs' regime. Things are going to be far worse for the Iranians now, with little prospect of improvement.

Not to mention it's hugely depleted American ammunition, plus offered a handy demonstration of American tactics and capability. Which I'm sure China is watching with great interest.

So far, the Trump administration has only benefited Russia, China and Iran, whilst doing enormous damage to everyone else. Presumably next on the agenda is to do something nice for Kim Jong Un. MNKGA.

Well that's the issue isn't it? It was an all-or-nothing venture. I suppose that's why he wants help from UK/EU.
As, for motivation, of course the guy is a megalomaniac.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2026 15:52

icantbelievet23432 · 01/04/2026 15:19

It doesn't matter, the protestors needed help and someone came along to help them. If you're being killed, would you really be fussy about who saves your arse?

If it was Putin, you'd all be praising him.

Edited

What? You think that people who don't like Donald Trump support Putin? I utterly despise and hate the pair of them. Putin is a dictator who is waging an illegal war on Ukraine and the UK has issued numerous sanctions and openly supports Ukraine.

Donald Trump as President of the USA is supposed to be an ally of the UK but it is all one way. In addition he is a travesty of a human being and I long for the day he is indicted and imprisoned, hopefully for raping under aged girls with Jeffery Epstein, but more likely due to his open and transparent corruption and insider trading.

logicisall · 01/04/2026 16:07

Bringemout · 01/04/2026 10:41

I don’t know why people think the USA would spend so much money on something unless they saw some benefit. It’s strangely hysterical these days, people you don’t like do stuff because they are stupid or evil not because they may have a strategic interest that you can’t see or you just don’t understand. Everyone seems to live in a permanent state of bewilderment.

Re Americans seeing benefit in a war with Iran, the majority don't.

28% of Americans strongly or somewhat support the war with Iran, and 59% oppose it, for a net support of -30. Almost all Democrats (88%) oppose the war, while Independents oppose it by a 3-to-1 ratio. Most Republicans support the war (62%), but there's a big gap in support between MAGA Republicans and non-MAGA Republicans (79% support vs. 33%). Because there are about twice as many MAGA supporters as non-MAGA supporters among Republicans, MAGA opinion typically drives overall Republican views.
(Yougov 31.03.26)

This is Trump's war and he's spending US money on an ego trip that expands presidential authority (as per Project 2025). He believes he can do what he likes (see his claim that he could shoot someone on the street in NY and not get arrested), because he has a WH administration in his pocket (or he might be in Miller, Bannon and Thiel's), SCOTUS stuffed with Republican judges and an ineffective Democratic opposition.

The American people are not benefitting from this war, but the Trump family is making gazillions from it. #polymarket

People are just bewildered at how Trump has been getting away with it for so long.

NoisyMonster678 · 01/04/2026 16:13

The UK and Europe want war off their doorsteps and going to war does not bring peace.

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