Why so upset about UK (lack of) involvement?

[Orangy]

If the US armed forces are the greatest military force ever assembled, as we’re led to believe, why is Trump getting so angsty about the UK and Europe not getting involved? Surely he doesn’t need us.

Also, if our aircraft carriers are toys and we’re generally a bit rubbish, as he suggests, why would he want our help anyway?

It’s really got under his skin.

AIBU to think he’s just talking a load of old bollocks?

He couldn't or wouldn't see any outcome other than having Iranian regime change, whatever he thought that meant, within a couple of days, like in Venezuela.

It's all gone tits up and he wants someone else to sort out his shit show and take the blame when it isn't resolved in the next few weeks. I am glad that the rest of the world is leaving him to crack on with it, and ignoring his petulant foot stamping and name calling.

Hopefully he will lose all credibility in the US and get voted out (before he is able to rig the electoral system), and then the grown ups can get back to dealing with international relations. The world was far from perfect before trump, but he hasn't got a fucking clue about any consequences to his actions.

Just seen the BBC , now he is threatening to leave NATO.

Every time he says something as bonkers as I can imagine, he surpasses himself a few days/ hours later.

Trump is mad - but surely you knew this?! He's like a child, everyday he picks which toy to throw out of the pram - it's hilarious but also im baffled why the americans chose him - he is quite literally - unhinged. I agree with some of the things he says - the whole trans thing and not wanting women to compete against biological men is sensible, but they are far and few between

He's been threatening to leave NATO for ages now. Even the newsreaders have a tone of world weary resignation when they report on his latest mantrum - kind of a "here we go again" vibe.

Having told us we should get our own oil, I almost guarantee Trump will be back to asking why no one is helping him in the next 7 days.

As someone was saying earlier today NATO is there to help members if they are attacked. Not as a gang to be called on to back up any member's unprovoked attack on someone else.

But what is the benefit? What is the hidden strategic interest?

You aren’t dealing with sensible people. Hegseth thinks he’s on a mission from god … he is a dangerous religious fundamentalist. This notion of Judeo-Christian values that they have decided to stand behind, are firmly routed in the Old Testament. That religious fundamentalism makes them believe that they are invincible, as good triumphs over evil .

Seeing as their beliefs are driven by the 10 commandments, not sure how they square up “loving thy neighbour” “thou shalt not kill” and especially for Trump “thou shalt not commit adultery”

But what is the benefit? What is the hidden strategic interest?

I guess he's provoking an oil crisis because oil producing countries do well out of oil crises, and the USA is an oil producing country.

Exactly, NATO is a defensive organisation.

Trump is looking for a way out of his mess.

On a wider note, Russia is also an oil producing country, so will also do well out of it. Whereas Ukraine is being hampered by the Iran conflict because weapons that would have gone to them are now not. Economically stronger Russia + strategically weaker Ukraine potentially = end to the war there, with Ukraine ceding territory.

The reason America has to pay a large fee to NATO is based purely on the amount of bases the US has around the world.

If the US pulls out of NATO they would lose control of all those bases.

Do I think Trump is stupid enough to do this? In a nutshell - yes. Only because he has fired all of the analysts for the gulf region so now there is no one to give him the proper intel and he has surrounded himself with wannabes who have little to no understanding of the region.

I think he's panicking. He didnt expect Iran to put up a fight and probably thought they would win straight away. He did not think things through before deciding to go to war. The reasons for which aren't clear. I assume it's to steal Iran's oil ultimately. Also was probably told to get involved by Israel and just went along with it like a lapdog. He probably didn't even consult his military advisors.

It's a complete joke that he thinks by throwing insults constantly that anyone in Europe would back him! He's in trouble an he knows it. He cant back down and he probably sees no way out. So trying to get everyone else involved to try and make Iran back down.

This post is absolutely fucking wild.

The US military isn’t some video game character with unlimited range and instant teleport. Geography is a thing. Logistics are a thing. Time is a thing. You don’t just snap your fingers and appear everywhere at once with fuel, intel, supply chains, and regional access magically handled.

That’s literally why alliances exist.

It’s not about “needing help because you’re weak,” it’s about not being stupid. Forward bases, shared intel, staging points, regional knowledge—those all come from allies. You want to operate in Europe or near it? Cool, you’re working with Europe. That’s how the real world works.

Acting like the US should just solo everything from across an ocean isn’t strength, it’s a misunderstanding of how modern military operations even function.

Like… god damn, this isn’t Call of Duty.

Mid term elections this November.

15%.
That's the US contribution.

In which case you don't got bombing countries gung ho without consulting the people you expect to help you out. Europe gains literally nothing but pain from the US acting like it's still the wild west - our economies are damaged, out pensions are flatlining (while the americans use insider information to make millions on the stock market at our expense), our cost of living sky rockets along with our energy and petrol costs, and possibly most worrying is that we now become an easy target for retaliatory action by the country the US has chosen to attack.

Ukraine is supplying knowledge and expertise regarding drone warfare to the Gulf States- who are providing 'resources' in return..

Probably best not to unilaterally start shit and then expect back-up from a defence organisation.

Because he is an insane sociopath who thought that he was without impunity, and the world would always support him.

I was just going to respond on this point - Ukraine is busy forging new alliances which seem to be of benefit to both sides and the very wealthy Gulf states may well plug a gap that the US has made by focusing more on Iran.

To the OP - Trump is an easy figurehead to ridicule as he comes across as a madman for so many reasons but the more worrying thing is that he is being backed by a cabinet of monsters who back him up, double-down, twist everything, promote his selfish - and their own - aims and do so with the power of the White House behind them. So much for checks and balances which seem slow and nowhere near as powerful as they should.

Nothing was learned from his first term in office and the US should've seen this coming! Just to be clear, not the war, sorry excursion - but the absolute chaos!

Israel want Iran keeping in its box, so have used trump to do this for them.

He wants to be able to blame someone else when it all goes wrong. He always blames other people for his actions when they go wrong but this time Europe and the UK have said jog on. His grasp of history is a joke, doent understand how Article 5 works (and that the USA are the only country to have ever invoked it), he clearly has dementia and yet there's a whole bunch of Americans who think he's great...

They are ALL in it for personal gain.
Trump fired every single person with knowledge and experience.
Why wouldnt he? They threatened his ego.

Bloody joke given it took 2 years for the US to enter WW2.

Oil company owners do well not the populations of their countries. The owners of Exxon may do well but the average US consumer will soon find that the prices of goods rise because component parts are made abroad e.g the cheap clothes manufactured in Asia, the parts that make up electronics etc will be developed in impacted countries.

Americans won’t see the immediate price rise like people in Europe and Asia but it will eventually come to them indirectly.