Why so upset about UK (lack of) involvement?

[Orangy]

If the US armed forces are the greatest military force ever assembled, as we’re led to believe, why is Trump getting so angsty about the UK and Europe not getting involved? Surely he doesn’t need us.

Also, if our aircraft carriers are toys and we’re generally a bit rubbish, as he suggests, why would he want our help anyway?

It’s really got under his skin.

AIBU to think he’s just talking a load of old bollocks?

Totally contradictory, 1 second T’s declaring he should have a peace prize… then moments later throws a schoolchild tantrum & proves the opposite by sending others to murder for him!
I still cannot believe US allowed him to b voted in for a second farcical run. Not sure which of these so-called leaders I want to die 1st.

And exactly how has he helped them?

I’m inclined to agree with this. I really hope it’s the case.
USA withdrew from Vietnam eventually- but at what cost to lives?

It’s looking like that.

Coming from a service family I will never forgive him for his comments about British troops, a bit rich from a draft dodger. As head of the Armed forces I wish King Charles would cancel the state visit although I know he doesn't have a choice. It would be laughable if the idiot didn't have so much power.

Well no, it's a stupid, can-only-fail venture. He wanted to play billy big balls boasting that he's the only president who 'dared' do it when in fact he's just the only president actually stupid enough to do it. Everybody else has enough intellect and geopolitical understanding to know exactly what would happen, which is precisely why it's never been done before. And what everyone knew would happen, did happen - and this collection of clowns just burble that they didn't expect it, like it was some unforeseen masterstroke nobody could have anticipated. Fucking school children could have looked at a map of Iran and explained what would happen.

And if he wanted help with his unwinnable war, maybe he should have told everyone he was starting it before he started bombing. Maybe he should have first assembled an alliance that agreed upon the war's aims, plus individual nations' roles and responsibilities. Maybe he shouldn't have threatened to invade his allies. Maybe he shouldn't have thrown stupid, ignorant insults at his allies. Maybe he should have read a history book and learnt that America is the only country that has ever requested help from NATO - and NATO responded. And even without invoking NATO, the US is always demanding help with other doomed ventures like Iraq, Vietnam etc - and every time, allied forces are dragged into disastrous, bungled wars run by incompetents which end in embarrassing defeat. Why on earth would anyone sign up for more of the same?

I think he’ll just declare he’s won - a secret deal that noone can know about is in place making him the winner and the war is over. He’ll tell us that any reports otherwise are ‘fake news’

The only downside of this to Trump is someone might start asking about his pal Mr Epstein again and then off hell go with another bat shit idea to get the focus off that again.

Trump expected to use British/NATO troops as cannon fodder to open the Strait of Hormuz. He knows that it’ll be politically unpopular if thousands of US troops are lost. Not to mention all those US tax dollars that he’s spending on war. He wants to waste other countries equipment instead.

He couldn't or wouldn't see any outcome other than having Iranian regime change, whatever he thought that meant, within a couple of days, like in Venezuela.

Yes, he's totally underestimated the Iranians, he thought it would be done and dusted by now...

What would the "correct" solution be? We all are appalled about the treatment of women in Afghanistan and Iran, is the solution just to let them get on with it?

I understand everyone mostly agrees on "what not to do" (and who doesn't like a bit of hysterical Trump bashing?), but no one suggesting what to do.

This appears to be the case. To be fair, I think it's what many Iranians were expecting/hoping for too. Hence, those protesters were willing to lay down their lives, and the women making "fuck it" videos and burning the regime's flag...

Everything he does or says plays into Putins hands.
Trump is trying to break up NATO, he has been at it since he was elected! Divide and conquer

Well, there's a difference between thinking you're not benefitting to actually not benefitting.

I have extended family in the U.S. The costs of food is quite a bit higher than ours in Europe. They don't have the social backup that we do- often if your job stops you don' have medical insurance or social security. Their taxes are high.
But America pays in a large part for Nato. It has said for many years that Europe should pay at least what they have committed to but they mostly haven't and the American taxpayer has had to make up the shortfall.
where do all those on here blaming American taxpayer for not liking this situation think our responsibility starts?? maybe paying a bit less in a fabulous benefits system and taking a bit more responsibility ourselves for our own defence. Trump is right on this point in my opinion.

He needs the UK / Europe involvment as it lends legitimacy to the operation.
To be honest, I am a bit confused by it all.
I would agree that Iran has been led by evil men, but sadly the uprising was too early for the US to be of any help.
Many thousands of their own people have been killed.
I am presuming this to be partly in retaliation for 7 Oct massacre, which was (apparantly) funded/directed by Hamas under the direction of Iran.
However, I really feel uncomfortable about this war, and the way the US has gone about it.
I do not know what the answer is.
I DO think the UK should have protected the bases on Cyprus better.

I think this is spot on.

I still think that this was all started to turn our heads away from Epstein.

I am very proud of KS stance on this. If we had any other leader right now our children would be being killed. He has grown in my expectation and I'm very glad right now we have a diplomatic , sensible leader

There are 32 members of NATO. Most of them are in Europe. Including the UK.

They don’t need to “have us” or let us back in. We never left.

Or thinking you're benefitting to actually benefitting?

The problem is he sacked anyone with a brain cell that might have pointed out that going into a war with Iran wasn’t a good idea. He has surrounded himself with people who are either just as deluded as he is or are just watching him dig his metaphorical grave and waiting for the moment they can take over.

A President/Prime Minister/Leader of any country is supposed to guide the country to a better and safer future.
I think he sounds more and more like a cross between a school bully with memory problems that tries to goad others into doing what they want and forgetting that they have already called these countries useless so why would they now be in a position to help and a comedy dictator of a 3rd world country that slaps their name on anything that they can whilst building ridiculous edifices in their name because they want to look important and be remembered whilst lining their own and the pockets of their friends and family
You can almost imagine Sacha Baron Cohen taking the lead role.

Cosying up to Putin makes the USA look like it is in the pocket of Communism and the war in Iran helps Russia in their war with Ukraine.

The problem of thinking you are the greatest and needing that confirmation can lead you into being manipulated

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sure, the US is world famous for their concern for brown and Black lives.

are there any Trump supporters left in the US aside from raving lunatics that are Christian nationals and racists maybe ?

We just need to accept that the US is no longer our ally, and concentrate on building a stronger closer relationship with European nations. Build up our own military capability.

The problem with this is that 10 years ago we told the European nations to stick their Union, so we’re not in the best negotiating position.

The impact of the war won't be felt in the US. They are largely protected from it.

It's the rest of the world that will be left managing the long term implications for our economies.

Ditto an emboldened Russia.

I agree, we still have an ability to rearm and a history of fighting and winning.

Imagine us, Germany France and Poland in a firm alliance. I think they might forget about Brexit.

We can never rely on the USA ever again, and it pains me to say it but the French were right.