Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

I said I thought open religious hatred was being emboldened by Reform. I am fearful of where we might go as a country if they were voted in. Day to day the religious intolerance towards anything that isn’t Christian that I’m seeing online is mainly from them and their supporters. I have never seen open religious intolerance worn with pride like I have seen in recent years. The brunt of the online intolerance I see IS towards Muslims but not all and I think it is legitimising attacks against other religions as well - Jewish people, Hindus, Sikhs- and trying to set us apart from one another. I think stignatising young Muslim men into this feeling of we are against them probably does incite some of them into this defensive/ aggreesive place where they feel they want to fight back. It’s like a vicious circle at this point.

Yes there is a sub sector of people who can’t distinguish between the actions of a government and the actions of people who share a religion, and I appreciate the Gaza war is heghtening the religious intolerance towards Jewish people. I feel the UK is destabilising for anyone who isn’t white Christian at the moment and that is horrific. It feels like the healing needs to be an attitude change towards divisions by belief in general, but I don’t know how we begin to rollback as hate breeds hate and it feels like it is snowballing.

Jewish people don't remember those days as they have never happened for us. None of this is surprising to us unfortunately, this goes on and on in waves - my mother and grandmother and great-grandmother all have their stories.

And of course there was no anti semitism before the modern state of Israel or Netanyahu.

Really? Because I’m not talking about hospital transport, which any untrained volunteer or volunteer with CPR training can do. I’m talking about responding to medical emergencies, providing life-saving treatment at the scene by qualified medics, and then transporting the injured person to hospital while providing medical treatment en route if necessary. I haven’t seen any Christian churches providing that in the UK, but if so, please link me! I’d like to support them.

Stop the marches deport the hate preachers!

I have made it clear I am not condoning it. But such a simplistic and childlike view on this situation is not helpful. I don't know what the solution is, but it has to start with an objective assessment.

Israel is not "defending itself ". You really lose all reasonable argument when you say this.

I haven't RTFT but reading elsewhere the justifications for this is sickening. Even if you believe accusations of anti-Semitism are often used to deflect or absolve Israel of its heinous crimes - and I do - it is also still a real thing and this is a blatant example of it. Also a blatant example of the lack of any kind of critical or nuanced thinking in the population that isn't just limited to 'the far right'.

I have seen a lot of emergency responders uniforms at Mass

@PurpleNightingale said I thought open religious hatred was being emboldened by Reform.

You are mistaken.
Reform will act against anyone found to be doing this.

https://goodlawproject.org/reform-uk-drops-candidate-who-spread-racist-and-islamophobic-posts/

Hate out of nowhere? I don't want to go down this route as I whole heartedly condemn the attack. But, seriously.

Exactly. Exactly.

I have an autistic 16 year old who when October 7 happened started scrubbing his skin with soap several times a day until he bled.

I asked him why. he said it's because he has Jewish blood and he was scared that people were coming to kill him. He asked me if he could clean his Jewish blood away because he was scared.

Sorry I’m unclear - these are NHS workers wearing their uniforms to mass or you are indicating that your church funds these emergency responders? I wasn’t sure.

This is an astonishing post.

You are blaming Reform for open religious hatred in this country when Islamists extremists are the ones murdering Jews for being Jews.

And you try to square that circle by saying that Muslims are only murdering Jews because people like Reform - and something to do with white Christians - is making them sad so that is why they are murdering Jews. You can't blame them at all. White people made them sad.

This is not just staggeringly ideologically imbecilic, it is also wildly racist.

You have denied all agency and humanity to people who are muslims. In your narrative they have no choice or thoughts or goals of their own. They only exist to react to white people's racism. It could not possibly be that they have their own thoughts and worldviews and conversations and beliefs in their own communities, that have nothing to do with white people. I am sorry, but this is a leftist version of white supremacy. It is staggering that you can think like this and not see how patronising and racist it is.

You pray for peace, and down with 'multiculturalism'

Ok then.

Yes I agree. People seem to look anywhere bar at those being antisemitic.

Israel is fighting a war against a conglomeration of ME players ( Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas Houthis) who are dedicated to its complete destruction.

Yes, fighting people who are attacking you and who are clear they want to destroy you, is defending yourself.

THIS 👆

AFAIK most Christian churches don't have the funds to run such a service or the space to accommodate fully equipped ambulances.

It isn't cost effective to have a fully-equipped Emergency Ambulance standing idle just in case it's needed.

In my area we have an excellent Ambulance Service and 4 Teaching Hospitals.

@Orangewhiteandblack 👏

I don't think it's possible to have any kind of reasonable discussion about antisemitism in the face of this delusion.

How naming a problem ' muslim bashing'?

It isn't, @Orangewhiteandblack, because nobody who genuinely follows Islam would behave like this

For want of a better phrase the perpetrators might be "culturally muslim", but as with many faiths that can involve a lot of things, few of which have anything to do with the tenets of the religion itself - though it's true that they'll try to hide behind the label if it offers a chance of avoiding accountability

The Islamo left alliance is politically a really interesting movement.

On one hand they seem to be diametrically opposed on topics such feminism or LGBTQ rights.

On the other hand they share common cause on anti capitalism and anti western and most recently since 7th October on the Gaza / Palestinian conflict.

In short both sides are using the other to gain political power. The left part is using the Islamo part in order to access Muslim voters that are geographically concentrated in certain constituencies. The Islamo part is using the left part to get wider mainstream support and in the case of the Greens to get even more support by wrapping it in the softer image of caring about the environment.

It is however an inherently unstable alliance which ironically falls apart as soon as they actually get political power.

For example in Iran the left allied themselves with the Islamists to bring about the revolution. After its success the left wing activists and supporters were then detained, imprisoned and executed.

https://share.google/4y1lZoFpvcOdUYa30

More recently and on a smaller scale was the banning of pride flags in a city in Minnesota by an Islamo leftist alliance winning the council:

https://share.google/DmYVBoumJNKuIvBdb

I am under no illusions that the same thing would happen with the Green Party.

A multi ethnic but integrated a homogeneous society is entirely possible, I genuinely believe. But true multiculturalism is by definition never going to be peaceful, the only dreamers who believe that are those who think culture is nothing more than food and music.

I mean you’d hope not to that last part, but you highlight a terrifying outcome.