Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

Nah, its not possible to have a discussion with someone who can't mount an argument so just throws out insults instead.

This.Absolutely this.In fact 100% this.

You wholeheartedly condemn the act but believe its inevitable as a result of multiculturalism, rather than the hatred of individuals? Did I get that right?

Would you prefer the UK not be multicultural?

You need to take that thought process one step further. The end game of anti-semitism is that Jews shouldn’t exist anywhere.

Your view is consistent with that of Hannah Spencer of the Green Party blaming the Manchester Arena bombing on "the division in the country caused by the likes of Reform "

https://youtube.com/shorts/GJE8Z_S52-U?si=fpa6qyTyvFhxUoHc

Not at all.

Israelis understand that nobody else can be trusted to secure the Jewish state’s existence. No one came to Israel’s rescue in 1967 in the The Six-Day War, which was fought between Israel and a coalition of Arab states, primarily Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

Nor did Israel receive much thanks for striking Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981, which prevented Saddam Hussein from obtaining nuclear weapons.

In 2004, prior to Israel’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, U.S. President George W. Bush promised Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon that should Israel pull out of Gaza, “the United States will lead efforts, working together with Jordan, Egypt, and others in the international community, to build the capacity and will of Palestinian institutions to fight terrorism, dismantle terrorist organizations, and prevent the areas from which Israel has withdrawn from posing a threat that would have to be addressed by any other means.”

That promise was never kept.

It makes sense for members of a religious faith to have internal debates about who is and is not ' genuinely' of that faith. So its makes sense for muslims to argue who is really muslim. I have seen reverts sneering at other muslims as being ' cultural muslims' as they are not as religious as the reverts are.

It makes no sense for anyone else to do this. The perpetrators clearly view themselves as muslims, doing this because of they are muslim. The fighters in Islamic State clearly saw themselves as muslims following Islam and were prepared to die for this.

All the murders of Jews in the West since Oct 7th, as far as I am aware, have been Muslims. That is not a coincidence. These are religious hate based murders by Muslims of Jews, for being Jews.

We not to stop creating fictions to stop ourselves from facing up to this truth. We can't address the problem as a society if we refuse to recognise it.

I'm so sorry. My daughter was scared after some truly horrific bullying incidents (including one that involved the police) but now that she's 13 she appears to have transferred her fear into intense, angry pride. It actually worries me as she's so angry all the time and when she's challenged in school (it's still happening now and again, always different kids so it's not bullying) - she pushes back. She's been doing self defense classes since the first high school attack and told me yesterday she hopes someone touches her again so she can show them. It scares me to be honest.

I'm horrified by the disgusting antisemitic attack in Golders Green.
I'm also pretty horrified that it didn't take long for you to conflate Jews with the Israeli State and to blame the Palestine movement that is protesting a genocide.
P.S. I am a Jewish woman, the daughter and granddaughter of Holocaust survivors.

And the current regime in Iran began as a movement of socialist students and hard line Islamists joining together to overthrow the Shah. Following the revolution the left-wing were then systematically purged, banned, and executed by the new Islamic Republic.

Is pp distinguishing between multiethnic and multicultural? It doesn't matter where you or your ancestors are from, but to live together as a society it helps to agree some common cultural values.
Protection of children, equality between the sexes, contributing what you can, helping where you can, treating people as you want to be treated (well unless you're a sado-masochist, that could end badly).

AFAIK most Christian churches don't have the funds to run such a service or the space to accommodate fully equipped ambulances

Not really, @broccolibiscuits; to pick the most obvious one, the Church of England alone holds just north of £11 billion, and while of course they have other calls on that money I'm sure they could fund a few ambulances if they wished (and have somewhere to put them, as a colossal landowner)

Really? Why should they have to?

That last bit made me giggle so thanks for that.

I think it's totally possible for people of all backgrounds to live together. We chose to immigrate to Scotland 20 years ago and we have embraced it - our Jewish kids have learned about Easter, and joined the nativity plays, and we all love haggis and we volunteer in our local community often and my son and husband own kilts. We share our culture and background with our friends here and they do the same in return - we host an Easter egg hunt with Passover foods with a group of non-Jewish friends every year. Agree that it doesn't work if people don't want to find the joy in learning new things and being part of their new home.

I think the idea of 'hierarchies of oppression' features heavily in some left-wing thinking. Some demographics are deemed to be more oppressed than others and therefore can do no wrong, while others are categorised as oppressors and therefore can do no right.

It is a thought process so utterly lacking in nuance.

@BlueJuniper94 But we're supposed to accommodate everyone! It's part of being British (in my opinion.) Cromwell allowed Jewish people to live in Britain (although he hated the Irish) and we gave refuge to Jewish people fleeing the Holocaust. We're supposed to have freedom of religion in the UK! My church has tightened up security after one of our chapels was targeted in the USA last year, so I feel a lot of empathy with the Jewish community, but there's been one crackpot in another country, compared to the scale of anti-Semitism in the UK. (I've had funny comments, but I'm not scared to just exist as someone of my faith, and I can just say I'm a Christian instead of going into detail.)

@PurpleThistle7 I wish I could give you a hug. I can't say it'll be okay though. I just hope you'll be able to stay safe. 💜

I said they have permitted anti semitism, and they have.

You are right we don't ( actually, I heard and IRCG 'cell' claimed responsibility, but don't know if that is just rumour). But all the other violent attacks and planned attacks on Jews have been by Muslims.

We should not be dishonest about this.

Why are the individuals hateful? And why was this the target? I am not asking you to excuse, I am asking you to speculate on the motive

Fantastic