Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

Israel knew a border agreement had not been met between relevant parties. War broke out after the state of Israel was declared by themselves and without a border agreement and not containing any borders within the statement.

I think that's right. The Jews knew they would have to fight for as much territory as they could get, and hold. The eve of a war was no longer a time to be, or appear to be concilliatory.

Borders were not agreed for decades after; with Egypt and Jordan not until 1979, I think. With Lebanon, there is still no officially accepted border (at least on the Lebanese side). Nor with Syria.

I haven't kept up with this thread - but given the response of many people who heard this news when it broke "Jewish ambulance? Jews have their own ambulances?!" I don't think this was common knowledge. I wonder if the attack was in part intended to highlight another ethnic group who live in the UK with their own parallel institutions, to take heat off criticism of Sharia courts... maybe?

Why do you keep tagging me Ample with irrelevant facts

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Ive corrected a factually incorrect statement

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Jews have Jewish courts too. The London Beth Din and the Kehilas Federation Beis Din are both recognized as a binding arbitration bodies under the Arbitration Act 1996 just like some of the Sharia councils.

Jews, just like Muslims, sometimes like to settle disputes according to their religious principles. As long as both parties agree in advance, there should be no problem.

The ambulances help everyone, it's just a Jewish charitable service

They willingly help everyone, but they're stationed in majority very observant Jewish areas. The ambulance techs are predominantly Jewish men and the service is funded by the Jewish community.

Orthodox Jews are quite seperatist in their outlook. Orthodox Jews wear distinctive clothes, have obvious hair (and head coverings) and are forbidden to eat food and drink that doesn't meet strict and costly special requirements. They have a different day of rest to the historically Christian nations. They go to separate schools, and heaven forbid a nice Jewish boy meets a nice Christian girl. An Ambulance service whose practitioners are co-religionists and are aware of the reluctance to accept men touching or being touched by unrelated women, and of riding in a vehicle on the Sabbath makes sense.

There is a strong thread in religious Judaism of "don't bother us, and we certainly don't want to bother you."

I doubt it. It was something run by Jews, so it was a target.
As pp have said, they don't have "their own" ambulances. It is a service which helps the whole community, whatever ethnicity and religion (they don't ask) and runs in addition to the NHS provision.

I wish we had that where I live. I've been reading about how they take and collect people from hospital appointments, and can turn up if you can't get a regular ambulance, or it's a long wait. I think it's a great idea.

The perpetrators motivation was clearly to attack something Jewish, and spread fear.
It would be very bizarre to hit a charity ambulance service because it would take the heat off Sharia law criticisms?
I can't imagine that was the motivation. Islamists don't feel the need to justify any practices, it would seem.
Also, I don't they're worried about any community's "integration". I think that's a concern of liberal democracies.

You don’t seem too impressed that a voluntary ambulance service manned by Jews (religious or not) who give their free time which could be spent with their families to rush to the aid of someone of any religion in need?

I can assure you that any medical emergency would trump the volunteers’ religious code of practice with regards to modesty.

Yes they prefer their children to marry within the faith as they are small in number and don’t want it dying out.

I don't think people who burn ambulances are sophisticated enough to follow your train of thought, let alone come up with it. I think it was just a shiny object connected to Jews next to a synagogue that would burn well.

I wasn't saying they were worried about it...

I'm very impressed with their service and have no qualms with Jewish religious practice or separatism. The kind of community that willingly opens what it provides for itself up to others, as Hatzola does, is much to be commended. Please don't confuse my blunt writing style for disapproval.

Both Jewish and Muslim communities in Britain have elements that reject too much integration. Jewish courts and Sharia courts are both fine even if Daily Mail headlines focus only on one. A Jewish charity providing a local ambulance service is a public good.

I think that the correct response to anyone who feels that providing for one's own community is a bad thing is not to deny that it is provided for one's own community. It is to say that providing for one's own community is actually a good thing.

I can assure you that any medical emergency would trump the volunteers’ religious code of practice with regards to modesty.

This is quite correct. But someone who is familiar with the extent of the obligation for modesty is likely to be trusted as to when a medical situation requires modesty to be put aside.

But in the case of Hatzola it's more like "please bother us, we're here to help anyone who needs it because we are a part of this community and country".

When they transported my relative to hospital, they brought her a shawarma because they thought she might be hungry. They're good people who care about others.

You don't sound like you have a whole lot of respect for religious Jews, including ones who would come out in the middle of the night on Shabbat to help transport you to hospital for treatment. That's sad.

Orthodox Jews are quite seperatist in their outlook. Orthodox Jews wear distinctive clothes, have obvious hair (and head coverings) and are forbidden to eat food and drink that doesn't meet strict and costly special requirements.

There are many flavours of 'orthodox', though. Not every married woman who defines herself as orthodox and keeps kosher covers her hair, for example. I have managed to have observant Jews to visit and between them bringing food and me providing some, they didn't starve.

Two people arrested so far.

False flag? I’ve never heard such shit uttered.

And your evidence for this is ??

But in the case of Hatzola it's more like "please bother us, we're here to help anyone who needs it because we are a part of this community and country".

Hatzola doesn't seek to establish Ambulances in non-Jewish deprived areas of London, or sponsor medical units in third world countries. It is not Medecins Sans Frontieres, or St. John Ambulance. It is not a service of outreach or proselytization. It's a service that is established by and works within its community, yet is open to all. To be clear, I think this is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Yes. We’ll see whether the perps are Islamists, or Islamist sympathizers.

Me neither. It appears that some posters get all their news from TikTok, X and other 'reputable sites', as 'false flag' and 'insurance scam' has been said to me elsewhere today. Disgusting and blatantly untrue. Who believes this crap?

Or they waited until the ambulances were empty so they wouldn't get caught.
I highly doubt they care about people getting hurt when they are burning ambulances.

Why are you pushing this false flag/insurance job speculation? There's no evidence for it. It's throwing mud and hoping some sticks.