Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

See, I believe that its not BECAUSE of the religion that the good was done. It was because it was good people who see the benefit in good deeds. But I agree that the bad always gets the most press - and people do always seem to cling more to hate.

I cant exactly think of the words (its been a day so far!), but like...don't attribute your actions TO a religion. You did them because of who you are etc. And I like to believe that those who do good would do it without any religious involvement (if that makes sense??).

Cos when you strip religion away the good deeds mean the same.
The bad deeds mean the same. Bad people, are just bad people.

It's of rather a different scale isnt it?

Judaism doesn't come anywhere near the level of bloodshed of Islam and Christianity.

Judaism has also kept its terrorism almost entirely within a very, very small area of land, whereas Christianity and Islam have both used violence to conquer huge areas of land.

I don't think you can reasonably put all three in the same category.

This is of little comfort to those that suffer. Some would consider the violence by settlers in the West Bank today to be terrorism. This is not some ancient history.

But regardless my point is that no religion is immune to extremists using it to justify violence. There is an air of superiority about trying to minimise that.

I’m actually kind of flabbergasted that someone would say - aren’t these terrorists better than the other terrorists- they only operate in a small area of land!

Eh Not really, no. Terrorism is just generally wrong and all in the same “category”

Well there’s quite a few people so deny the holocaust, stupidity or evil intent - who knows where they’re coming from. But they’re out there

Sure.

You appear to have come on a thread about an Islamist terrorist attack on the Jewish community yesterday and bought up terrorist acts by Jews to make your argument. Insensitive but OK...

I'm pointing out to you that Judaism has historically commited vastly less terrorism than Islam and Christianity. So yes, in terms of terrorism commited Judaism is by far the superior one.

Christianity seems to have mainly sorted itself out by now. Islam still has a huge problem with religious violence. The number of Muslims, Jews and Christians who have been targeted by Islamists of various ideologies in recent history vastly outnumbers the vv. So yes, Islamist terrorism is a far greater problem.

I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative, but tbh I'm not really sure what your narrative is on this particular thread.

This attack was a disgrace.
Islamists and their western sympathizers are a problem in the UK.
Everyone who's come on this threat and said ' but Gaza ' etc is a part of the problem.

Yes. Unfortunately, I have met a few.

Like who?

Rogue states that oppress people are protected by laws, that’s part of the problem. The law doesn’t help those oppressed but the state that does it.

What does it matter?

Why bring it up if it doesn’t matter?
I’ve just googled, and it looks like the last one was in 1947 (by Zionist paramilitary groups like the Irgun and Lehi).
How many attacks and attempted attacks have there been against Jews in Europe and the UK in the last year alone?
I didn’t get the impression pp felt Jews were somehow superior.
She said: “British Jews, with the exception of the Ultra Orthodox, (like German Jews before them) have assimilated completely into the British way”. Maybe that’s just the way it is? Some communities do tend to integrate better than others.

The major threat of terrorist attacks in the UK is from islamists. Counter terrorism stopped over 30 attacks last year. Recently we have had an attack in Manchester (a lone wolf?) and now an attack on ambulances because Jewish people....what? Exist?

Sick to death of the twisting and turning people use to explain shitty anti semitism. People who are anti semitic are cunts. Evil fucking shits. Starting with the hate marchers this needs tackling properly. We don't need that islamist terrorist shit here, they wreck the countries that terrorism thrives in, useful idiots simpering to them need locking up.

i did not randomly come on this thread and talk about Jewish terrorism. I was responding to a poster who was incorrect.

Firstly the terrorist attack was wrong, Jewish people in Britain are not responsible for the decisions of the Israeli government.

Most terrorist attacks happens within a wider context. There is almost always a geo political force at play. And this time, in my opinion, the war in Gaza and/or Iran are part of a wider explanation as to how this attack happens.

It is possible both condemn the attack and also talk about the wider political context around it.

Fully agree with you. So sick of people trying to “contextualise” and explain away attacks on Jews.
Just saw a post on X by the Berlin police department about a woman who attacked some guy in a park because he was writing in Hebrew in his notebook. Called him antisemitic slurs and hit him on the head apparently.
And things like that are happening all the time.
Absolute madness. These people seem to feel really empowered.

"Most terrorist attacks happens within a wider context."

Yes evil islamists use any excuse to kill. The 'but Gaza' brigade aren't helping at all, the 'resistance' brigade, aren't helping. In case you hadn't noticed, Jewish people running the volunteer ambulance service have FUCK ALL TO DO WITH GAZA OR IRAN. So there is no context at all, nothing to do with them.

The poster brought it up. I didn’t bring it up.

There isn’t some “built in” quality of any minority group to “assimilate”

Integration is complicated and shaped as much by society itself as by the minority group.

I don’t think “my minority group is inherently better than your minority group” is a good starting place for fighting racist attacks. It literally accepts the racist logic that minority groups can be ranked against each other on who is most loyal or more acceptable,

Literally nobody on here has said that?. Unless I have missed the post claiming that one minority group is superior to any other?

I literally said that . You’ll see a line where I said exactly this. It is in no way morally defensible even if it has a wider political context.

If we were to talk about the PIRA Dockland bombing, we’d also be talking about the wider political context of the northern Irish conflict.

"Iranian terrorist group"

Fixed that for you. It's time we called a spade a spade.

Integration is hard. Some people make more effort with it than others.
Some communities make more effort than others. Minorities integrating is usually better for the overall social cohesion.
It’s not racist to notice that.

I’m sure you are not personally racist but you using an argument that integration is based on effort and that some groups are inherently good at this and some are bad and this is racist logic.

Maybe you should respond to what I’m actually saying instead of pointing elsewhere to divert and attacking me ad hominem. There nothing here to say I’ve argued in bad faith or that I am against the state of Israel. You just don’t agree with me, do not want the truth written here (that referring to this atrocity in this way is very far beyond ok) and you can’t bring yourself to say it directly as it would reflect badly on you. Thats fine.

Given the likely death toll of an American invasion of Japan - which was going to be the only way to get a surrender short of using the nukes - and the continuing death toll across Japanese-occupied Asia (the fighting in Burma and Borneo, the starvation and chronic hunger in what are now Vietnam and Malaysia, what was going on in Manchuria, the murderous brutality of the Kempeitai) I happen to think that dropping those two bombs was justifiable. The net saving of lives was immense.

And I'd like to know what you think Israel should have done after the Hamas pogrom. Sat tight and waited for another one? The deaths in Gaza are tragic, particularly those of non-combatants. Hamas has a great deal of blood on its hands, for its behaviour towards the Palestinian population at large.

A laughing emoji? I think not. There were over estimated 140,000 Allied POWs taken by the Japanese of whom my father was one (41/2 years in captivity.)

The Japanese considered anybody who surrendered (as British soldiers had to do in Singapore) as cowards. That explains why they didn't capitulate until after two nuclear bombs were activated.

As the daughter of a Japanese POW I find your posts offensive. Those of us with personal experience of what Allied POWs went through at the hands of their captors was absolutely appalling. The bombs were absolutely necessary to bring the war in the Far East to an end. That's my last word on the subject.