Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

Egypt closed its borders because it was scared of infiltration by the Muslim Brotherhood entering from Gaza.

Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates have long banned the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat to the stability of their regimes.

Brotherhood ideology integrates Islamic and European forms of antisemitism to blame the state of the world on Jewish perfidy.

The Brotherhood seeks to enforce patriarchal roles and opposes gender equality in the public sphere, restricting the participation of women in education and the workforce.The Brotherhood also legitimizes the violence of husbands towards wives.

The movement's self-stated aim is the establishment of a state ruled by Sharia under a caliphate, with one of its most well-known slogans being "Islam is the solution". The group combines political activism with Islamic charity work so it is a very dangerous organisation.

The Brotherhood opposes LGBTQ rights, purposefully misrepresenting homosexuality as a moral and social illness and encouraging violence particularly towards gay men. Brotherhood rhetoric on religious minorities emanates from its theological supremacism, with non-Muslims regarded as, at best, second-class citizens under a future Islamic order.

What are you trying to say here. Jewish people assimilate (but some don’t)

Sure you could say this about any religion or nationality. What has it got to do with anything we are discussing?

There were Jewish terrorist attacks against British people also in Europe. These don’t define Jewish people same as than the IRA don’t define Catholicism and any potential Iranian terrorism doesn’t define Muslims.

You sound like you are trying to make the argument that some people are superior and have more of a right to be here than others.

It doesn’t matter if you are a member of a group that was here in the Stone Age, arrived in thd 1600’s or came in on the last flight. Everyone has a right to safety because of who they are or what they believe , including Jewish people,

True. The Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah and Hamas all want the same thing. A Caliphate. An Islamist regime over the whole area. I think we know what would happen to Israel.

I didn't say it was necessary, I made the case that it was understandable. History is rarely as cut and dried as you seem to think it is. And you haven't bothered to engage.

You might be right that the attack would have happened regardless of the growing atmosphere of antisemitism (which was helped on it's way by sloganeering, misrepresentation, and governmental failure over various administrations to deal with the cause). But this atmosphere has certainly contributed to the people on this thread and elsewhere who shout 'but Gaza', as if that somehow excuses blatant Jew-hatred.

And what the attack shows, as I have said before, is that the Iranian regime isn't just anti-Israel, it's anti-Jew.

It may be connected to iran

JW3 (where i regularly take my baby for concerts and baby events) and my son's future nursery (on site of sternberg centre) where the youngest are only 6 months old have been targets of surveillance by iran agents.

The human cost of WW2 on all sides is exactly why we have stricter rules around war today.

i don’t understand why people would think reaching back into the darkness of WW2 would justify the conduct of a war today.

Japan still had over 1,000,000 troops at arms in Manchuria. It was hardly defenceless.

Edit: Spelling.

Who has said that? Certainly not me.
The discussion was on the thorny issue of "proportionality", which seems to be what Israel alone is accused of.

Indeed. They didn't even surrender after the first bomb was dropped.

But proportionally is exactly what I am talking about.

In a modern analysis Dresden would most likely be considered a war crime.

But you have reached back into a time when all sides killed too many civilians to justify the civilian death toll today. Even though the legal environment has changed.

I haven't "reached back" into anything? I joined in the discussion about proportionality.

Who's coming for us?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2025/10/12/grim-list-notable-attacks-on-houses-of-worship-around-the-world-in-recent-years

Church attacks in the west seem to be split between religious motives and people with a personal vendetta. The UK is no longer a Christian majority country either, according to the last census, more people are atheist.

"who's coming for us?" @SapphireSeptember
@Greyblankie is quoting from the famous poem by German Lutheran minister Pastor Martin Niemoller, making the point about Germans who failed to stand up to Nazi policies.

The attack on ambulances run by a Jewish charity in London was due to actions of the Israeli government, really?

The Jews made them do it...
Or something.

There's always a way to blame Israel, if you're prepared to turn yourself into enough of a pretzel.

Well, so many people on here would like to claim.

You say understandable, but seem to mean justifiable.
Instantly killing 100,000 civilians is not morally justifiable. I can understand your rationale while still disagreeing with it. And I use the same argument about the actions of the Israeli government and some or it's citizens in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Israeli prisons... I could go on but I think you understand my argument.
The world is changing thankfully and there is less and less support now compared to a few years ago. I understand your cognitive dissonance

Whilst there is good and bad in all religions, its made worse by people doing bad things and saying it is in the name of X Y Z religion. Which is why I am an Anti-theist.

Good things done should be attributed to just morality and not wishing to be a douche.
It shouldn't be in the name of, or cause a 'being' told them.

Same as the bad deeds should be attributed to the morality of the person. A bad person is going to be bad in any religion if they can find parts of that religion that they can use to justify their actions.

But humans like clans, and we are products of our environments, so it is never going to stop. Which is very very depressing.

I just can't get my head around people wanting to attack Jews.

Then throw into the mix, Ambulances run by a charity, WTF does the UK with the NHS and billions of funding even have ambulances run by a charity?

I don't get why anyone wants to attack ambulances or fire Brigade when they are trying to save people.
None of it makes any sense.

And yes I'm politically homeless too.

What??
Surely you can't be serious calling me Hamas??
This thread is utterly crazy!!

There were Jewish terrorist attacks against British people also in Europe.

When was the last one of these?

Well, I'm a Christian (of the LDS variety) so we're not going to be entirely on the same page. But I do agree with much of what you've said. There's a lot of good done by religious organisations, and I think the good outweighs the bad, but the bad often overshadows the good. (The IRA and child abuse scandals of the Catholic church, Islamist terrorism, polygamy, etc.)

I've been looking around and I can find some Jewish terrorists who attacked people in the Middle East - though can't find anything in the last 10 years or so. Mostly some unsettling incidents with uber-religious fringe groups but nothing in Europe so far. I remember when Yitzchak Rabin was murdered, gosh that was a long time ago now!

What does it matter? I am making the point that although there are religions that have no history of terrorism, neither Christianity nor Judaism nor Islam is among them. Even The devil can cite scripture for his own purposes and so on.

She seemed to be of the train of thought that Jewish people were some what superior to orthers unnamed in their post.