Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

No we haven’t but does that mean we should expel all Muslims? Do you think 100% of muslims in the UK or the West are plotting terror attacks? Do you think all Jewish people hate Palestinians?

Asylum is supposed to supply safety from such conflicts though, not offer an opportunity to carry grudges across the globe.

And Jewish UK citizens are not participating in bitter and terrible conflicts, they are trying to live a peaceful life in their country and in this case providing ambulances.

They don’t bomb them though do they?

Totally agree with you @Orangewhiteandblack

See, I just find it amazing that after October 7th people can still say things like this. October 7th proved why Israel was right to try to control what came in and out of Israel. It was right to have border controls for Gazans coming to work in Israel.

But all this was well known before October 7th due to the frequent terrorist attacks that took place regularly within Israel.

And the bombing - why was that? Why was that happening? Because Hamas committed a deliberately barbaric atrocity and took stole Israeli citizens, babies, children, women and men. They hid their operatives under schools and hospitals. They have spoken of their tactic of human shields. They have spoken of needing their citizens to be killed to fortify their soldiers. They could have stopped the war anytime by handing back the hostages and laying down arms, but did not. They built an entire multi layer underground ' city' of tunnels under Gaza and refused to let their citizens in, despite Israel giving notice or bombing to save civilian lives.

Hamas evacuated most of the civilians who were evacuated from Rafah, not IDF. They then put tens of thousands of IEDs in buildings in Rafah. That is why it was so destroyed. Hamas ensured those buildings could never be inhabited again.

The % of buildings destroyed compared to civilians killed ( even though hamas refused to shelter their own civilians in their tunnels), shows the huge efforts Israel went to prevent civilian deaths (unlike Hamas in Israel who targeted civilians). This war had one of the lowest, if not the lowest, combatant to civilian deaths of any urban war, despite Hamas doing NOTHING to protect its own citizens.

The only way you can demonise Israel is by completely wiping out of your narrative the actions of Hamas.

And people like you, doing things like that, have created the climate which is meaning Jews in the West are being murdered.

Well they don't 'never' do that just for completeness. There are horrible people in every part of society for sure.

@KTheGrey - your first paragraph is spot on. Like the teacher upthread, I have come across increasing antisemitism in secondary schools. The worst I have personally been aware of has been from two brothers, who are Syrian refugees. Yr7 and Yr8.
This was not anti Israel or anti Zionist. This was full on Jew hatred, which would have made Goebbels, or Julius Streicher, proud.

Who did I call a racist? My point were racists have no place in British society, do you not agree?

Both things can be true. Antisemitism exists so is part of the background to this attack. The current wars being waged by Israel bring the world to an incredibly incendiary moment and the risk of attacks on the diaspora is likely very high. Of course, there’s antisemitism in that mix.

As for the reasoning, you’ve got things very muddied there. The situations in Israel, Russia and China are different enough that it’s fruitless to try to pin that argument.

what shit? Racists dont belong in british society, if you think different then thats fine

Give me an example of a Christian committing a large scale terrorist attack on British soil - or a Jew … actually let’s make it fair and add Sikhs and Buddhists in there … I’ll wait

No you know what, I agree with you. Racists don’t belong here. I’m just confused as to why you’ve brought racism up on this thread though since there has been no racist comments from what I can see?

iRA

Of course they are defending themselves.
You really lose all credibility when you say this.

You’re absolutely right. Argument is not the point of this thread. Let’s let it go.

In answer to your question (why don’t I ask the church directly), I suppose it’s because I think, logically, that any Catholic or Mormon or Hillsong member should be able to answer my question. For me, when you CHOOSE to belong to a group, when you give it financial support instead of other community organizations, then yes, I believe (and others may feel differently! I get it) you are signing on to their actions, so you should be able to answer about their motivations. If someone disagreed with their actions, they wouldn’t “belong” or financially support the group. BUT of course, this is just my opinion, and like I said, I do understand you and others may feel differently.

Of course, Israel is defending itself. You're 100% correct. It was attacked first.

Yeah I did think their post was absolutely wild.
Islamist extremists are doing what they do because Reform.
Smashing bit of gaslighting.

Some people would twist themselves into a pretzel rather than acknowledge any attack is motivated by antisemitism.
Oh, and it's not "in the mix". It's the motivation.

I wish people in this country were just as passionate about issues we all face here, as they are with Middle Eastern conflict.

There’s been anti-Semitic and Islamaphobic comments on this thread imo

Israel has stretched the term ‘defence’ enough to make it meaningless. If attack is defence, war is peace. They are bombing people in tents, where does it end?

Nobody has credibility on here, it’s just another thread on this subject on this platform with the same circular arguments as all of the others.

This is so stupid and so well illustrates the problem.

Read back through my posts and you will see them littered with comments like ' 'sections of the muslim community' or talking about how muslim countries are better at dealing with muslim extremists than we are. But here this poster is still asking, ' do you think all muslims are violent.' Th
This SO well illustrates that for those with this poster's mentality there is no way for you to talk about muslim extremists without them accusing you thinking all muslims are violent.

@JobDunn well describes how all muslims are not the same. But for the poster I quoted they all are. They are all nice. Except for one or two. They probably aren't real muslims anyway, and the bad things they do are definitely not to do with them being muslims. Because everyone knows all muslims are nice. Just like all disabled people.

But in reality there is a subsection of muslims, who are Islamists. There are a subsection who hate Jews, and link that to their muslimness. There are lots of leftie white people who hate Jews too but they are not the ones committing the murders of Jews across the West. There is a significant problem of subsection of muslims and anti-semitism and a subsection of those who will act on that violently.

So no, in case all that has not been clear enough for you, I don't think all muslims are violent anymore than I think all Catholic Priests are paedophiles. I don't need to think all are, to speak out against atrocities when they happen, whether against choir boys or Jews. You are like the people who wanted to silence those speaking out against the abuses committed by Priests because it made all the Church look bad. Its the same mentality you are displaying.

Great post, thanks.

It’s “so stupid” that’s what you took from my post. If you read the posts I myself have been replying to its, to people who have said that they basically don’t wan’t Islam in the UK and my opinion is thats wrong. I haven’t denied extremism or extremists. Of course people can talk about the problems that it bring
s but some people, I’m sure you will agree use extremism as a way to be Islamaphobic and some people use Israel/Netanyahu to be anti-semitic and they think that makes it justified