Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

I'm far past believing this.

Yes namely 'globalise the intifada' being shouted on British streets.
It feels like it is materialising before our eyes.

As I understand it,

1. anti-Semitism was baked into communism/ socialism from the start in Russia and Russia was extremely anti-Semitic. Russia developed a whole hatred of Israel which got absorbed into wider leftist thinking.
2. the whole simplistic oppressor / oppressed thinking of the left. Simple narratives like this feed into hating Israel. The fact that Israel is able to defend itself makes it an oppressor. Gaza is not, so its oppressed, even when its Government is the aggressor with genuine genocidal intentions to Israel.
3. Culture - its become a culture that if you are a good leftie you hate Israel. I know Guardian readers who think that Israel is bad, even before the latest war, but can't really articulate why or have any knowledge on the history or contemporary of the region at all.

I didn’t know thats why I asked, you could have been talking about the Ninja Turtles for all I know.

Extremists are dangerous, it doesn’t mean we can’t have a multicultural society.

Yep

But that's entirely the point? Whatever Israel is doing shouldn't have anything to do with whatever just happened in London. London is not in Israel. London's Jews are not in Israel either.

That's exactly why it's antisemitic though. It's based on the feeling that it's understandable to blame British Jews for somethintg Israel has done. Apart from the fact that, as been has been said before, nobody attacks Russian or Chinese organisations in the UK over Ukraine or the Uighurs, this particular group is not even zionist, as they are orthodox Jews who are waiting for the new messiah first, or whatever it is.
So all that's left to explain why this amalgam is being made is "they're all jews".
Which is textbook antisemitism.

What it shows is that we can have a multicultural society with some cultures.
Some ‘cultures’ -aka religions- seem to simply want to take over and force their religion with its medieval practices on us rather than integrate into our culture.

I can’t understand why these cultures want to come to democratic Britain where women have the same rights as men legally.

Because they know our government will bend over backwards to accommodate them - which in turn makes it easier for them to dominate.

What the heck did they expect?

On a side note, I fully realise this is absolutely nothing to laugh about, but did the guy in the photo have to look quite so much like Wolfie Smith?? (Showing my age there )

Some cultures do not fit in with British society. We all know that.

That’s not true is it. I am presuming you mean Islam?

While some extremists will want that of course, regular Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Christians just wan’t to live peacefully and get on with their lives.

ALL of the “non british” people I know have very mundane normal lives, go to work, pay their taxes and raise their families. Wanting to just extract one religion from the country is awfully wrong.

My apologies for making assumptions on your political views and absolutely please correct me if I am wrong, but your left leaning views seem to me to be of the "traditional left" viewpoint, concerned with things like workers rights, and pay and public services etc.

Whereas the support for the Palestinian cause under the "Islamo-leftist" alliance comes from a much "harder leftist" political view concerned with identity politics and victim status.

Under such an ideology the weaker party is always the victim and the "good guy"
the stronger party the aggressor or "bad guy "
regardless of the circumstances. This goes all the way back to Marxism and the proletariat and bourgeoisie.

So if we go back to pre 1967 then Israel did indeed enjoy the support of the harder left as it was seen as the weaker side and a victim of the holocaust. That changed with successive Israeli military victories (1967 and 1973) where it became seen as the stronger party.

If we take the example of the 7th October attack, initially Israel was the victim but it's military strength dealing with the Hamas terrorist attack made the hard left see it as the aggressor and the fact that Hamas attacked Israel first and committed horrific atrocities is less relevant to them.

I hope this partly explains it and my apologies for anyone offended by the term "leftist" or "leftism" or any lack of hyphens.

The Christians who protest outside abortion clinics, for example.

Yes racists.

It's an open prison with restrictions on what comes in and goes out. And it's been bombed to bits by Israel. How you can say that I just can't understand. Do you really think that?

But we have behaved in ways that have allowed Islamic extremism to flourish, because we have been scared of being called Islamophobic or racist. You can see it on this thread. Merely pointing out the well reported facts that the current murderous terrorism against Jews across the West is by Muslims leads to accusations of Islamophobia. When their concern should be to identify and combat this new iteration of violent racism in society, racism against Jews.

You do realise that there are Muslim countries who are more on the ball with dealing with Islamist extremists and groups like the muslim brotherhood than we are, as they know what happens when you let groups like that get a hold in society. There are Saudis who will not send their sons to UK universities as they are worried they will be radicalised there. That's what we are dealing with in the UK. And even when the see the fruits of it, as we are so appallingly, people still refuse to name the problem. The denial and delusion is stunning and so dangerous.

But you have to recognise that the uncomfortable reality whether you want to admit or not, is that the UK has not suffered from say extremist Sikh or extremist Hindu terrorist attacks.

The far right ones are the dumb conspiracy theorists.
Mostly it is the dumb left.

The government needs to get a grip on this. Its gone on far too long

Very typical of the way the country's going now. The anti Semitism's off the scale at times. The thread on the TV Forum about Nadia Hussein's tv programme being axed descended into it eventually.

I would just like to challenge this a little. I am a liberal Muslim and born and brought up here, English atheist husband etc. Am living a fully British life. My parents were happy for me and celebrated our marriage loudly and invited everyone. I have been to far more bar and bat mitzvahs in my life than Muslim events because of the wonderful community that I live in. I am lucky that my little world is multicultural and peaceful.

My feisty female cousins wear a headscarf and fast for Ramadan etc and follow the main pillars without fault. But they have friends of all races and religions. One works in a bank and one in a school. They watch Netflix and have a laugh. A church near them was vandalised and they were there for the fundraising (and got excited about their photos in the local paper ;-) ). On first glance you would probably think they were non-integrated Muslims. But they are very much part of their wider British community.

I have also got one male cousin in my very large extended family who I am 90% sure is antisemitic. Got radicalised at university we think. He gets short shift from the rest of us

I just wanted to highlight that ‘muslims’ come in all forms of belief and we all don’t follow exactly the same ‘culture’. So Muslims are not one homogenous extremist violent group. Genuinely.

75 to 94% of terrorist murders were committed by extreme Islamists. Is it racist to quote this statistic and provide a link to evidence it. Or should we pretend it's not happening like Rotherham sex abuse order to avoid accusations of racism?

https://www.isdglobal.org/digital-dispatch/twenty-years-on-assessing-the-uk-islamist-terrorism-landscape-since-7-7/#:~:text=Two%20decades%20later%2C%20Islamist%20extremism,range%20of%20beliefs%20and%20ideologies.%E2%80%9D

I have given no opinion on how we tackle extremism, I do not agree with extremists from any religion, but I don’t like to tarnish muslims with the same brush as extremists, do you think all muslims are violent?
I also don’t think Jews should be attacked for what Netanyahu is doing, I do not think all Jews are like him.

I agree with you, LassiKopiano24.