Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

Given the op’s first post I wonder if this was an error.

I think they mean that the Jewish community have said that these chants are contributing directly to rising hatred.

Seriously, @broccolibiscuits 😂

Pull the other one; it’s got bells on it.

ETA: Sorry, just saw you’ve now changed the goalposts to:
Why do you think that it's up to religious bodies to provide ambulance services ?
You may not be aware that some Ambulance Services contract in private ambulances and the cost in the NW is £15 million.

Uh ok. First they couldn’t afford it; now it’s not their job. Keep your excuses straight!

Lots of people are celebrating it though.

If I misunderstood - I am very sorry. It read otherwise to me.

A proxy group, in this instance, is a group that does another's 'dirty work' on their behalf.

@Humdingerydoo
Thanks for the link. Have donated. Hopefully it’s a way to show solidarity with the Jewish community.

This is just such a sad, nonsensical act against a fantastic sounding charity that helps everyone.

At least the article says,

'The government will fund the replacement of the four destroyed Hatzola ambulances, Health Secretary Wes Streeting has said.
Tens of thousands of pounds have been raised across multiple GoFundMe pages to help rebuild the Hatzola fleet.'

But still this is going to have a devastating effect beyond the cost on the people involved. It's so horrible to be targeted for doing good.

Got it. I think this is being reported in The Times as ‘a terrorist group have claimed responsibility’.

The jews have been here for centuries and as far as I am aware have never committed any terrorist acts on our soil. I see no reason why they should be blamed for the actions of Israel.

It’s terrible. Re your aibu, the timing would suggest it’s far more likely that this charity has been targeted due to the recent actions of the Israeli state rather than the general levels of antisemitism in society.

Ah, you too.

'Unlike other acts of antisemitism all through history, this act of antisemitism was perpetrated for legitimate reasons.'

Scummy violent men yet again.

Which is shocking because it’s an ultra orthodox charity, and ultra orthodox Jewish are generally not Zionist in outlook (broadly feel ambivalent towards Israel and wonder if the state should have been established before the coming of the Messiah).

Okay, so which of the terror attacks, planned or prevented, in recent months, or since the October 7th attacks have not been by Muslims? If you find any, what percentage of the attacks do they comprise? Because all the news reports, in UK, in Australia, in UK, all the murders and attempted (mass) murders are by Muslims. Anyone following the news can see this.

Almost as if its not logical but merely hateful?

I'm not going to get drawn into an argument because it derails the thread.

If you aren't happy about what the Mormon Church and the Catholic Church do (or don't do) maybe you should take it up with them and then you can get a direct answer?

I have not sought to legitimise anything here. At all. Get your kicks elsewhere.

My experience (as a non Jew) is the opposite: before Oct 2023, the only antisemitism I regularly heard was from Muslim pupils at schools where I've taught. Naively, I believed that antisemitism was at worst residual, and would disappear as those children became better integrated into western society.

Instead it's been the opposite: muslim antisemitism has become normalised and many "native" English and Irish have become openly antisemitic too. I don't know if it was always there but was just not considered appropriate to voice in public. But now it seems it is, and we can just blame Israel.

Even though nobody, not even Muslims, ever attack Chinese restaurants for their treatment of Uighurs.

Quite. When it comes to war, this thinking is not going to figure. It’s about where anyone, state or non-state actor can inflict maximum damage.

How do we support Jews without contending with the anti-Semitism in sections of the Muslim population that is leading to Muslims murdering Jews? How do you explain the fact that all the murderous terrorist attacks on Jews in the West that have hit the news are by Muslims? How can we support Jews if we don't acknowledge this and combat it, like we did with white racism in the 70's and 80s?

Do you honestly think it just happens to be Muslim individuals who have committed these murders? Its all just one big coincidence? A massive statistical anomaly with no significance at all?

Its not blaming everyone within a community or religion or race to acknowledge there is an issue within sections of a community, religion or race.

And the lazy thinking that concludes this stops us from tackling issues that need to be dealt with and leads to more crimes and more victims.

The problem is, people say nothing justifies it - and I agree - but then in the next breath Israel 'defending itself' by flattening Gaza in a massively bigger display of violence is justified.

I specifically asked if anyone could explain why the UK political left seem so supportive of the Palestinian side of the Palestine/Israel issue. As a generally left-wing person myself, I don't support either sides actions.

I mused that it probably related to the wider support of Islam from the political left - again something I don't understand, beyond a general supporting of all religions/groups, (which doesn't appear to extend to Jewish people).

I'm not sure why talking about that is confusing. "Condemning hatred" has not been happening from certain quarters precisely because of the above points.

I agree that "Islamo-left" alliance makes no sense on the face of it, but I have observed it is very much there. The lefty groups I am loosely part of demonstrate it frequently. As well as it being evident in wider politics. Hence wanting to understand why.

Except Israel was not trying to destroy them. Israel forcibly removed its citizens from their homes in Gaza in 2005, to create it as a home for Palestinians only ( they also dug up their Jewish dead from cemetaries in Gaza to prevent them being desecrated). They have also provided asylum to LGB Gazans, provided employment to Gazans (which rather backfired for the people in the Kibbutz's as Palestinian employees provided intelligence to enable them to be slaughtered), provided medical treatment to Gazans in Israeli hospitals. So no, not trying to destroy them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czj1m8xpk14t?post=asset%3A215cf510-6258-48ed-876d-cdf5ecaa25e3#post
In case there's any doubt, this non Jewish man was helped by this service. At no point did they ask if he was Jewish or not.