Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

[StartingStar]

Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

Im sure we could all take a wild guess 🙄

Your comment on "feeding division" is very much in line with the views of Hannah Spencer who blames the Manchester Arena terrorist attack on those spreading division.

https://youtube.com/shorts/GJE8Z_S52-U?si=gNwzLhklWrmN1ucz

I take a more simplistic view and blame the Manchester Arena terrorist attack on the actual terrorists, their supporters and any belief system religious or otherwise that seeks to justify or excuse such terrorist attacks.

Absolutely, unfortunately the banner waving useful idiots just don’t seem to want to learn from history. Even the most basic of understanding would show that the ideology of Islamism is fundamentally incompatible with that of the Left beyond anti capitalism. I honestly cannot comprehend the myopic nature of some of these people.

Thank you for an articulate and excellent explanation.

Sadly there are those in all religions that seek to take their views to greater extremes either as a result of failing in other aspects of life or to signal how much more of a [insert whatever religion] they are than you.

I agree, that's why I framed it the way I did - it shouldn't be the case that you need to denounce to be safe, however when not enough group members denounce inhumane acts it becomes very easy for out groups to assume that everyone within the group agrees with the actions taken

I'm from a Muslim middle eastern background, I'm speaking from experience. People assume things about me until I explicitly state them, this is the way people and societies operate.

I did note that whilst I sent my condolences to all my Jewish friends for October 7th, not one of them has asked me about my family in iran. That is one example of a situation where it leaves me wondering whether they actually condone the attacks on Iranian civilian infrastructure and the death of schoolgirls in Minab. Now apply that to broader population dynamics and see how silence is filled with assumptions and theories - the best way to kill a wrong assumption is to make a statement

I mentioned two huge Christian organizations that could easily fund community ambulances in areas that desperately need them because they clear multi-millions per year - the Catholic Church and the Mormon church, and then threw on Hillsong as an organization too. If there is no wait for an ambulance in your area, you’re very fortunate, as the average wait for an ambulance in the UK is getting scary. Some areas are much worse than others, but even ambulance wait times don’t tell the full story (and they’re 28 minutes for an emergency like a stroke, when time is brain and the first hour is “the golden hour” - after that, treatment is more limited) because of this: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-exclusive-thousands-wait-for-hours-in-ambulances-outside-west-midlands-hospitals

An ambulance in London will never stand idle for long.

You don't even have to go back as far as the Islamic revolution in Iran:

https://share.google/OzFnzWMdoQicXZXP6

Who’s they?

It is quite appalling to put anybody's life at risk like this. For goodness sakes, the children are innocents and they could easily suffer for lack of an ambulance.

However - Iranian proxy group Harakat Ashab al-Yamin al-Islamia have claimed responsibility;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/38599526/ambulances-torched-antisemitic-attack-london-counter-terrorism/

Well there is the St John's Ambulance Service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_John_Ambulance

That is one example of a situation where it leaves me wondering whether they actually condone the attacks on Iranian civilian infrastructure and the death of schoolgirls in Minab...the best way to kill a wrong assumption is to make a statement

If you're making incorrect assumptions that's on you, not on them to correct you.

Why do you think that it's up to religious bodies to provide ambulance services ?

You may not be aware that some Ambulance Services contract in private ambulances and the cost in the NW is £15 million.

I can’t get my head around it. Have they not seen what Iran looks like? What a woman’s life is like there? What Iran used to look like?

It’s really unfathomable. I suppose it’s the juvenile “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” even if that friend would have no hesitation in culling someone like them.

True, but they don't provide an Emergency Service which was what the pp was talking about.

Islamic extremists - who else would I be talking about?

Agree, but again that's not how people generally operate - I'm just giving explanations for why people act the way they do, not justifications. There are actions that can be taken to mitigate e.g. making statements and outlining your position, which is a burden noone should have to bear but is a simple way of addressing wrongful assumptions and can be protective for the wider group.

We have a world where people are shouting "silence is complicity", a statement I don't personally agree with, and it creates a backdrop where it is more dangerous to not explicitly lay out your positioning.

Again, I'm not saying this is just or the way society should operate, I'm saying this is the way society is.

You can argue against the need for it to be that way and I agree with you, I just think it is also useful to be pragmatic

Well exactly! The knights of St John of Jerusalem- Christianity has a long history of caring for the sick both in Europe and wider areas

They very nearly do:
https://www.sja.org.uk/what-we-do/ambulance-operations/nhs-support/

Also - it's St. John Ambulance. No apostrophe.

I have donated to Hatzolah this morning, thank you pp for the link upthread.

Anyway, I hope the ambulances will be replaced by donations etc asap. What an amazing service to the community

The government are replacing and funding the ambulances - with donated ambulances to take their place in the meantime. Which is the right response. Though, of course, that's no reason to not also donate.

I knew that the NHS does contract in private ambulances when needed but I didn't know where they came from, so thanks for that info.

It seems the Red Cross do this as well https://www.redcross.org.uk/get-help

I’m so sorry to hear this, although it is what I suspect many Jewish people are feeling.

I hope that you know that the vast majority of citizens are in your corner and horrified by the rise in anti semitic behaviours.

These are not chants BY the Jewish community, they are the chants AGAINST the Jewish community. Quite shocked by this misinformation.

NOTHING justifies this level of violence. By anyone.

What is a proxy group? Does anybody know anything about this as a group?