Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

[StartingStar]

Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

You'll have to show the actual posts where that was said then because the post you were replying to didn't say that.

Well that would only be acceptable if all British Muslim leaders spoke out and stated they had no affilitaions with Iran, Hamas or Hezbollah and absolutely condemed all the attacks on innocent people.

Are you saying if a person has any sort of connection either from blood or religion to certain regimes, countries etc they they should be held responsible? Should we be rounding up all British Iranians and asking them to pay penance? How about any Brits with Russian ties?

Your post is victim blaming and ridiculous.

Starmer's comments on this made me sick. The Labour Government is rammed full of anti-semites.

Dubai or for that matter the majority of Muslim countries or indeed vast majority of Muslims are not Islamists. They are just regular people that want to get on with their lives and at the same time are Muslim.

This is an interesting insight by the UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed on Islamist extremist in the West:

https://share.google/JZ7SrK6N9g3awrNr8

The phrase "islamo-leftist", and everything it implies, is why people are voting yabu.

Antisemitic hate crimes are awful. It's reasonable to express horror at whats happened. However, there are a significant proportion of posters who cannot post about antisemitism without being openly slamophobic. Both are disgusting and have no place in modern society.

We need to stop feeding the division. We can support Jews without bashing Muslims. We can hold people who do terrible things responsible for their actions without blaming everyone who shares their race, religion or political views.

There's a post that refers to "Islamo left alliance" which I interpret as careless punctuation, omitting the hyphen from "islamo-left alliance" and then goes on to reference the "Islamo" part instead of more properly the "Islamo-" part.

The pp is correct on Dubai.

Most countries don’t have leadership as extreme as the IRGC, it’s not even what the people there want.

It’s scary to see how it can take hold and stay there through brutal repression. An extra issue they also take it to other countries as terrorism and would like weapons to do more.

How can you say that though? You might not want to think it but I don't see how you can say it isn't related. The time line fits

You see this thread as Muslim bashing?
At the same time you’re not mentioning the ideology that led to the ambulances being torched in the first place, making it sound like some sort of unfortunate accident rather than a targeted attack.

I am so sorry to hear this has happened. Just awful.

Hatred has no place in any decent society.

OK - let's clear this up. Islamo-leftism is a recognised political term to describe a political alliance between political Islam/ Islamism and left wing politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamo-leftism

Any reference I made to "Islamo" was made in reference to describing the two parts of this political alliance- there is an "Islamo part" and a"leftism part".

It was not Islamophobic just as it wasn't anti leftist, it was just a simple explanation of a political alliance.

Thank you for the link, I will be donating

I think it's abhorrent, as is the rise in anti-semitism. However, given the situation in Gaza + the current Iran war + the growing popularity of Reform I can see that individuals are becoming emboldened to carry out racist attacks. Nb to understand is not to condone, I don't condone this violence at all. I'm guessing ambulances were targeted as a nod to the paramedics and medical personnel who have been targeted and killed recently in Gaza and Lebanon - again, I am not justifying but offering a perspective on why it may have occurred.

People will tell me it is not the role of the individual to be an ambassador for their ethnicity or cultural group, however it would be helpful for higher numbers of Jews to call out Netanyahu's war crimes, empathise with the plight of Palestinians, and denounce the illegal war against Iran. I've been shocked by the silence of my Jewish friends and the active support some of them have had for Israel's government's actions.

As an ethnic minority myself I also understand the burden of being treated as an example/ambassador/spokesperson for people of my background, but I also believe in building bridges which is impossible if I look silently complicit and don't speak out against the wrongs that people of my background have done.

I studied Israel, Judaism and Zionism for my degree - I understand the concept of why Israel was built, subsequent threats to its existence, the role trauma has had to play in governmental policy making. But it's currently trapped in a cycle of aggression against its neighbours, seemingly largely unchecked by any foreign body or even the wider Jewish community. It makes it easy for anti Semites to conflate Netanyahu and his ilk with the average Jew and for conspiracy theorists to continue the idea of there being a Jewish agenda.

I have a lot of sympathy for Jewish people and Israelis, but I also understand the pain that Arab and middle eastern people are feeling. I wish the violence would stop, in recent years it felt like the GCC countries were making steps towards improving relations with Israel before Netanyahu's latest bout of campaigns.

I am a bit confused by some of the turns this thread has taken, other than simply condemning hatred.

I find it hard I see how “Islamo-left” can be a thing but there we are. My idea of left involves moving away from the idea of societies being influenced or controlled by any particular religion, but there we are.

What an obscene act by these perpetrators.

I am a (liberal) Muslim and live in this constituency. Jewish friends and neighbours form a huge part of the lives of us and our kids. We are all decent and want peace for all innocents, Jewish, Israeli, Palestinian.

No Jewish person should be blamed for what’s happening in the Middle East. Any more than I should be blamed for Islamic terrorism. After 9/11 and London Bridge, I hated the Islamophobia and the ‘jokes’ from friends about me being a terrorist. It’s precisely because I know what it feels like as a Muslim being blamed for attacks beyond my control, that I stand by all the innocent Jewish people facing antisemitism today. Esp the Jewish kids who are scared of going to school 💔

I don’t know a lot about the marches now. At the start I think there were quite a few ‘decent and normal’ people protesting against the UK‘s involvement in attacking Palestinian targets. I think there were people who were disgusted by Hamas’ massacre on the 7th October but who were also appalled by what the UK government was pledging to do in its support for the Israeli government. However, I think these marches were quickly then co-opted by extremists and thickos and are using them to channel their hate. It is certainly not something I would want to be part of. I don’t think the marches are causing the hate as such, but I think that antisemitic people filled with hate are the ones joining them. But I could be wrong of course.

Anyway, I hope the ambulances will be replaced by donations etc asap. What an amazing service to the community.

As a Muslim, my message to these thugs would be that, they are pieces of shit who have done precisely nothing to help the situation in the middle east. They have attacked a peaceful Jewish community who are not to blame for any of this. Destroying Ambulances fgs. And they have given Islam a bad name and made things harder for the many decent Muslims who don’t agree with extremism or violence. They are antisemitic fuckers and I hope they are caught and punished asap.

I think there's also an element that we are so terrified of being racist (or 'colonial' as those of my acquaintance would describe it ) that we will turn a blind eye to behaviour that would otherwise be completely unacceptable.

After all, the various reports into child sex abuse rings in Rochdale et al acknowledged this.

Yes, if you’re saying something has been said you should be able to give specific examples.

But then this could all go back to hamas and Oct 7th in that case? Attacking to defend against a group who try to destroy you. One can be aggressor and victim, by what split will depend on severity of actions

People will tell me it is not the role of the individual to be an ambassador for their ethnicity or cultural group, however it would be helpful for higher numbers of Jews to call out Netanyahu's war crimes, empathise with the plight of Palestinians, and denounce the illegal war against Iran. I've been shocked by the silence of my Jewish friends and the active support some of them have had for Israel's government's actions.

No Jewish person should have to comment negatively on Israel to stay safe, and I as a Muslim shouldn’t have to criticise Hamas, to avoid Islamophobia. We are not responsible for acts carried out in the name of our religion or ethnic background.

True. But let’s see.

People will tell me it is not the role of the individual to be an ambassador for their ethnicity or cultural group, however it would be helpful for higher numbers of Jews to call out Netanyahu's war crimes, empathise with the plight of Palestinians, and denounce the illegal war against Iran. I've been shocked by the silence of my Jewish friends and the active support some of them have had for Israel's government's actions.

No.

People do not have to earn the right to not be attacked or demonised or harassed.

First they’ll go for the Jews - then they’ll come for the Christian’s.

But hey, isn’t it great living in a “multicultural society”.