To cringe when middle class women swear

[dopaminego]

On Mumsnet at least they use embarrassing words like 'cockwomble' and think it's edgy. Only working and upper class people sound right swearing.

I’m middle class. I love a good fucking swear. I swear all the time, as does my husband. I used to be a teacher, we all loved to swear.

I’m not posh, I’m a very mild scouser. I have plenty of money and don’t need to work. And I swear all day 🤷🏽‍♀️

Sometimes words don’t suit the people uttering them. I’ve probably explained that badly but I remember pompous Kay Burley on Sky saying she’s spent the weekend in her JimJams. Yuck.
Ditto, well spoken ‘celebs’ telling us things cost a quid. Vomit.

Definitely dislike twee 'hahaha I'm stealing that!!' overused fake swearwords like cockwomble, douche canoe, and whatever the other ones are. Don't know if that's what the thread is about but that sets my teeth on edge.

😂😂😂😂😂😂
Are you short on attention?

Personally I find it hilarious when someone with a “posh” accent swears, it because you don’t expect them to swear and then they do, it’s funny.

Really? Do they?

Like Kevin off Motherland 🤣

Fuck off

You absolutely can be middle class and northern! And as for northern snobs…

Extract from that article:

’Those with higher intellects were found to be more likely to curse, eat spicy breakfasts, and walk around the house naked.’

All at the same time.

I feel like I’ve stepped back in time. Wow. Don’t think the internet is the right place if you can’t accept others having different dialect and ranges of vocabulary to yourself.

Am I unusual in not really knowing what class people are anymore? I think the old working, middle and upper paradigm is very outdated now in my opinion.
I know people who describe themselves as working class who are top professionals owning more than one home. Their reason being that a great grandparent was a miner or similar.
Conversely I know zero hours minimum wage workers renting a room in a shared house who describe themselves as middle class because they think they have middle class cultural attitudes. All sorts of variables. It's all a bit of a mess nowadays, and isn't logical. People can describe themselves as whatever class they choose to cosplay as! I don't know what class I am? I feel classless.
All I know is that there's a huge wealth divide these days, and that's the real injustice that needs addressing, not nonsensical class division based on what you refer to your evening meal or similar...

Re swearing - I don't personally see that as a class-based issue 🤷‍♀️

I think you’re just being simplistic. I’m WC despite having a lot of degrees, a professional job and a big house, and liking opera, because my dad was a bin man and my mother was a cleaner, and all my family are cleaners, lorry drivers, street sweepers, childminders etc, and no one stayed at school past 15. My upbringing and family are more of a determinant than my educational level, hobbies or income. My child is middle-class, though, as will his children be.

A friend’s mother is UC despite having little more than the state pension — she grew up in a minor stately home in the poorer branch of a very grand family, was presented at court in one of the last debutante seasons, married an Honourable (but they ended up losing everything in the Lloyd’s crash). Yet her current lack of income doesn’t remove her social and cultural capital, years of parties whose guest lists read like something from Debretts, her clipped RP, and the fact that she got by in straitened times in the past by selling the family tiara or a ‘rather good’ painting everyone had forgotten about because it was hung in the dower house.

Sorry if this has been said already but it's not the mc aspect really, for me.

I hate it when people (and it is mainly posh women, in my experience) as a kind of pose. I cannot stand Miriam Margolyes because of her potty mouth. She's an Oxbridge graduate from a very solid mc background and has a really melodious voice. But the effing and blinding seems a pose to me - to make herself seem edgy and attract attention.

I've met other actors who do this to try and shock the plebs. It's very boring and affected.

@ThreadneedleRoad well, it depends how you define class I guess?
I know some people do define it as strictly what you do for a living. Others your background. The Marxist definition was just about who did and didn't have the means of production, but society has changed so much now, and so much production has moved to the developing world, and really everyone in the west in privileged by global standards.
The thing is that most of us have had a variety of influences, and it makes it very complicated.
I genuinely wouldn't know what class to describe myself as.
I do think that wealth inequality is a bigger issue today, because society has changed so much.
I have heard some people say the whole working class/middle class conversation is there by design to distract us from the ruling class, who are the ones who really call the shots.
I don't know though, and I've never studied sociology to any serious degree...

I have heard some people say the whole working class/middle class conversation is there by design to distract us from the ruling class, who are the ones who really call the shots.

Maybe - but we're not talking about the old aristocracy any more!

There is a ruling class, but they are much shyer than in the past about admitting their power and influence...oh, and affluence!

Bollocks!

Yes, I certainly agree with you about that.

I guess that's partly what I mean - society has changed so so much in recent decades. It's a different group of people who call the shots, and they're the ridiculously wealthy. Obscene levels of wealth, whilst most of the rest of us are struggling.

Anyway, apologies, I've accidentally derailed from the swearing. I'm one of those people who finds it hard to swear in public. Weirdly I feel too embarrassed to 🤭 I do swear in private though sometimes... I don't think either of these things are class related at all in my case mind you.

Fuck off

It’s not about money.

@YesssSpringHasSprung I agree it's definitely not all about money; but money is a factor, in my humble opinion. Along with background, education, profession, attitudes etc. I think sociologists talk about socio-economic class. So, I'm sure they consider the economic part to matter where class valuation is concerned. Most of those class surveys ask about income, in addition to other things. But, I know lots of people who base it around occupation rather than income. The professions being considered middle class, regardless of income. Blue collar workers being considered working class. But, I've noticed on Mumsnet lots of people think it's purely about upbringing, which I also think is too simplistic, as we have multiple influences, and it's all a bit jumbled these days.
I can't bear any of it though honestly. All the 'othering', snobbery and inverse snobbery and tribalism the British class system causes. No other country in the world is so obsessed with it. As far as possible I've tried to opt out, and I refuse to be classified.
Though I also can't bear inequality of opportunity etc, and wonder if that can be addressed using a different paradigm? As there's no universally accepted measurement of class, maybe it all needs a rethink?
I can say that in my day-to-day dealings with people, I don't think about what class they might be, or consider themselves to be. I don't want to reduce people to that. I want to hang out with nice and good people, and perceived class has nothing to do with goodness. It's all a bit daft, and we should move past it nowadays surely?

Hmmm yes but other countries have the caste system or hate travelling communities or hillbillies. Some have people living in slums - seems similar to me.

The poor old misses classes. They can’t do anything right, even swear.

The only thing they’re good for is funding the rest of the country.

No one gives a shit what you think.

It's a delicious irony 😁