Anti valuers are dumb and pathetic

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Anti-vaxxers shouldn’t even consider having children until they develop a basic sense of responsibility.

I’m beyond frustrated hearing about measles outbreaks again and again. I fully understand that some parents genuinely cannot vaccinate their children using live vaccines due to legitimate medical conditions that weaken the immune system, but outside of those rare cases, there is no excuse apart from being totally and utterly DUMB and people that are do dumb and irresponsible should not be reproducing..

It’s usually people with more than average empty space between their ears, if you know what I mean……

A typo is nothing to do with intelligence….

There were a few posts here on MN back in the day from mothers whose young DC had been very ill, and ones who seemed to regress - lost speech, for example, when previously they had been progressing well.
These are anecdotal, of course, but they do give you pause for thought when you're about to take your healthy child for a jab.

I would hope that the information i posted about encephalitis, SSPE and death resulting from measles gives parents pause for thought if they choose not to vaccinate their children against this disease. This information is based on rigourous peer reviewed research not anecdotes posted on a chat forum.

Oh yes, 2+2=5. Something happening around the time of having a vaccine doesn’t mean it was caused by it. But I do, of course, understand the worry. I’m from a generation who remembers children going deaf from measles and needing to walk with the aid of calipers due to polio. So I think that, while I understand parents’ concerns, the best place to find answers is from scientific research publications rather than Joe Blow on the internet, where many people appear to be turning for their information these days.

The response from someone who hasn't studied to a higher level.

Or any level, so far as the sciences are concerned.

But you don't need to study science, as long as you trust those who have.

I know nothing about how a theatre works for example, but if a stage manager was to explain something to me, I'd listen to them rather than some grifter on the Internet

Highly likely. Any old fool can write a book. If it appeals to people that don't understand the subject matter and are scared of vaccines; it will fly off the shelves making money for the author, whomever that was.

Then the poster with cheesy feet suggests a book written by an anonoymous author that has been debunked as evidence. Also suggests reading further get's expensive - that's because these anti vax pushers profit from selling books to individuals who have become terrified of vaccines to the extent that they don't allow their own children to be protected from diseases that they themselves would have been protected from when children. Make it make sense.

Agreed you don't if you trust the experts in the field. The scientists that have spent years working in the area of immunology, vaccines and disease prevention.

However, many of those against vaccines don't trust the experts in the field, they trust snake oil salesmen who push books that play to their fears. Often they also believe some randoms on Tic Toc or YouTube when they rant on the subject (Russell Brand anyone) followed by many who don't appear to understand the rubbish he rants.

Sadly, I don't think the people that are against vaccines will read that. They get their info from anonymous books a la Cheesy feet previously, and bits and bobs on the internet that push their concerns and worries further. Maybe they could check with a health visitor or doctor instead of unknowns and randoms who don't even appear to have any scientific training (or they don't share it) and they make a lot of money from scaring others.

Because of what they said. They also stated it wouldn’t be fully tested until 2027. I’ve never had a cold let alone Covid so I did what was best for me. But if people feel safer getting it then that’s great.

People don't feel safer, they are safer. The covid vaccine reduces the chances of getting it, reduces the severity of the illness if you get it and the likelihood of getting long covid.

Can you explain more about your nephews as it's not making sense. In this case who are they?

@CheesyToes @FuglyBitch @worldshottestmom have all gone a bit quiet.

Always happens when people ask where they get these ideas from.

They tend to chuck around claims and misinformation around vaccines. They get pushback with information and evidence from various posters to show they are wrong. They might shout a bit or deflect, then they go quiet. They never post evidence with links, if asked, they say childlike things like "find them yourself lazy bones". Some share details of books written by uncredited and non peer reviewed sources, which they think are great, often not realising how poor the books actually are.

I feel for them, some people are easily suckered in, due to fears and lack of actual knowledge about how science works, or how many years of training it takes to work to a senior level in a specialist field. I mean if Russell Brand and similar types say vaccines are ....dangerous, poisonous...etc and shout it very convincingly they believe it. Obviously he knows more than the actual scientists 🙄

DD2 was at LSHTM studying their world-renown Masters course in Control of Infectious Diseases during the pandemic. So was continually surrounded by experts in the fields of epidemiology, vaccinology etc. Every one of them, every one, vaccinate their DCs and, where relevant, themselves. That's all I need to know.

There's been the misinformation that the Covid vaccines weren't trialled on people in this thread. It's simply not true

I was a volunteer for the Novavax vaccine, as part of the phase 3 trials. 15000 people took it.

It was shown to be effective

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/novavax-publishes-positive-efficacy-data-for-its-covid-19-vaccine

https://quadram.ac.uk/case_studies/supporting-the-uks-biggest-covid-19-vaccine-trial/

@MrFluffyDogIsMyBestFriend you made the claim that the covid vaccine was not trialled on people. Does this information change your mind at all? I'd be interested to know either way

Thanks for sharing.

The number of times I hear that thd covud vaccine wasn't tested andcit wascrushed through untested. I think some people repeat the mantras they hear on social media without checking first.

Taking a jab for Covid but you can still get it and pass it on. Myocarditis on the rise but hey ho, I’ll get my 10th booster I’m so lucky I’ve had covid 5 times, if it wasn’t for my booster I’d be dead. 😂😂

I actually have a letter from the Cystic Fibroses department telling us in no uncertain terms were my grandchildren to get the vaccination as it was too new and would not be fully tested until 2027. But I’m sure you will call me a liar.

What are you trying to say? This is just a word salad of bullshit.

Having the covid vaccine makes it less likely to be passed on if you get it.

Either you really don't understand, or you're just trying to irritate people. Neither is a good look.

The Cystic Fibrosis Trust doesn't mention anything about the vaccine not being tested until 2027

https://www.cysticfibrosis.org.uk/life-with-cystic-fibrosis/health-and-wellbeing/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccination

What don’t you understand that I have a letter from the hospital. I really don’t give a flying fuck what you think. God, is no one allowed an opinion that doesn’t agree with your’s. Go away and find a hobby. I made a comment if you don’t like it scroll on by and stop trying to call me a liar and vilify me. Nasty piece of work.

But this is part of the problem - you don’t trust the Covid vaccine - why is that? It’s the same people/organisations responsible for all vaccines.

Do you mean because it was “new”? All vaccines are new at some point. The Men B vaccine is still “new” in terms of long term data from millions of administrations (just over 10 years) yet many people are demanding it be given.

It’s ill thought out, emotional based responses like yours that lead to lower than optimal vaccine uptake.

I’m sorry but what you are saying goes completely against the UK government guidance of that time - people with CF were in the “clinically extremely vulnerable” group at the highest risk from COVID and possibly even advised to shield.

The vaccine was strongly recommended for people with CF and frankly, any consultant advising against Covid vaccination for people with CF could be liable to be hauled in front of the GMC and struck off.

The only reason to withhold the Covid vaccination was potential anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine or any of its components - even then, we usually still gave the vaccine to the clinically extremely vulnerable but it was given in a special hospital based anaphylaxis clinic with full resuscitation equipment and specialists (eg anaesthetist/nurse who could intubate) so important it was for them to be vaccinated.

That was back in the early days. The only people getting the Covid vaccine now are severely immunocompromised, 75+ and care home residents- so people with CF would no longer automatically qualify - they would only be offered the Covid vaccine if they’d had a transplant or were on immunotherapy.

@Labelledelune I know you’re going to come back saying you’ve got a letter from the hospital but like I say, any doctor giving out that advice was widely out of sync with Public Health/Government policy to the point of it being malpractice.

edited to say screenshots of official guidance from 2020 to follow

Covid vaccination guidance 2020

I prefer the phrase "IQ in negative integers" but I suppose "child abuser" works as well.