Anti valuers are dumb and pathetic

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Anti-vaxxers shouldn’t even consider having children until they develop a basic sense of responsibility.

I’m beyond frustrated hearing about measles outbreaks again and again. I fully understand that some parents genuinely cannot vaccinate their children using live vaccines due to legitimate medical conditions that weaken the immune system, but outside of those rare cases, there is no excuse apart from being totally and utterly DUMB and people that are do dumb and irresponsible should not be reproducing..

It's all part of Project Fear. It lowers your vibrations. And keeping us all in low vibration is how "they" control us. Whilst also mocking us by setting up events that only ever happen on dates where if you add the numbers together you get 666. It's really quite diverting how bonkers this stuff is and how utterly seriously people take it.

More bullshit

A vaccine trains your immune system to recognise a pathogen, which significantly reduces the chances your risk of illness if you're exposed later.

The covid vaccines are vaccines

I'm so sorry for your Mum but your question is disingenuous. We didn't have years.

You do know that there are regulatory inspections and audits done on the research to ensure it is effective? Big pharma isn’t out to get your money, but it costs a heck of a lot to create a drug and then take it through clinical trials. I am not saying they don’t make a lot of money, but implying the research is done unethically is inaccurate.

I get so angry. When I was little my family GP recommended I didn't have the whooping cough vaccine as there were concerns at that time of a link between whooping cough and epilepsy. Thankfully this has now been fully debunked but as I have several relatives who either have epilepsy or other adjacent conditions it was decided not to risk it.
That meant I was completely reliant on the immunity of other people in order to be protected.

Oh, and my parents were certainly not anti-vaxxers, I had all my other vaccines at the correct times.

Many vaccines don’t prevent you from getting the illness eg flu vaccine. Even the measles jab isn’t 100%

Vaccines prime the immune system to recognise the illness and respond more quickly and effectively. Just because they don’t prevent illness, it doesn’t make it incorrect to call them vaccines.

The Covid vaccines were about reducing the chances or serious illness and death, which seems extremely worthwhile to me. They saved many lives.

Completely agree I hate anti Vaxxers. What makes them think they are cleverer than the majority of the population including doctors and scientists it’s baffling.

They are causing measles to come back and they’ve put my 4 month old at risk as he’s too young to be vaccinated. They’re pathetic. We could have eradicated measles by now if everyone was vaccinated instead people are dying because of them. They are basically murderers.

Just because it was completed in record time, it doesn't mean it wasn't safe. The research process takes a long time because of all the red tape and admin delays. COVID had significant financial backing, which reduced delays. The different phases of the trial were conducted alongside each other, which sped up the process. Data was reviewed as it was being collected, rather than at the end of the process. And there was a lot of information due to how rapidly the virus spread. Finally, it built off of existing knowledge and previous research around things like mRNA vaccines.

I am sorry to hear about your mum, truly. But it still does not mean the vaccine wasn't tested safely, and it remains safe for the majority of people, or we would not be using it. Vaccinations save lives through reducing severity and preventing spread. That is scientific fact. Anecdotal information does not change that.

As I said, there will always be people who have adverse responses to medications/vaccines. Some of those may be serious. Outside of the obvious (such as pregnant women, and the immunocompromised) this can't really be predicted. Vaccines are safe for most people.

Me too! The curtains were kept drawn all the time when I had measles and the only light was from a table lamp that had a coloured bulb in it.

I was wondering if I should get a shingles vaccine. I've had at least 3 attacks of shingles, but iirc the last one was about 15-20 years ago.

Have you ever looked into the research on how many lives the Covid vaccine saved? It’s Millions. Eg this talks of 14-19 million lives saved in 2021:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9537923/

I’m not saying that people weren’t injured but the number of injuries vs the number of lived saved is stacked very heavily towards lives saved.

Sorry I didn't read properly!

I'm 66 this yr, which is why I was offered it.

I had one full blown shingles attack in my 50s and two lesser ones in my 60s. Got my first shingles jab about a months ago and I'll get word to go in for the second one later this year.

My grandma once told me about a measles outbreak when she was a child. It ripped through and she lost a lot of her school friends. One family with six kids lost 4. I told that story to a friend who doesn’t believe in vaccines or even that germs exist. Said it was probably a chemical leak in the area 🤯 how do you even go down that rabbit hole??

I'm a very, very long way from being anti vax. My children had all their vaccinations and we even paid for some extra private ones.

However, I remember the pandemrix debacle where people did die/were left with life changing illness even after all the testing etc

There have also been other cases where well tested vaccines have caused serious health problems and that's before we get to the people who died as a result of a bad reaction to the covid vaccine. A vaccine that many countries mandated.

As a result I do have some sympathy for those not keen on vaccinations. Government's are rightly concerned with herd immunity but that isn't much consolation if you or you child is the one who experiences vaccine injury.

You’re a bit weird if you can’t understand my point. Which is, that so many children used to die of diseases that are now preventable - because there are now vaccines to protect them.

I don't believe you are not anti-vax.

I would appreciate it if you could provide evidence for the claims in your post.

True. We all got the TB vaccine called BCG as kids. It was only about 60% effective at stopping infection but it kept you out of the hospital. Or the cemetery.

Now we have meningitis rearing its ugly head. A family member who is antivax has sent me a video by Dr John Campbell on the subject. But I'm too tired to engage or even watch it. Too many arguments during COVID.

What a bizarre response to what thought was a reasonably balanced point.

Try googling pandemrix. I'll be very surprised if there isn't a Wikipedia page as well as newspaper reports etc from about 15 years ago. At the time it was big news.

You must have heard about covid vaccine injuries and the govt payout scheme? It has been in the news.

The BCG isn't given routinely anymore which i think is a big mistake given the re emergence of TB in the UK.
We paid for our children to have it privately.

Yes I saw that. I suppose TB was almost non existent by the early 2000s? Coming back now alas. There is nothing inevitable about progress.

The mRNA technology gas been around for a while - often for cancer treatments.
There were so many people working on it in parallel rather than in series that the time frame was shorter.
The flu vaccine gets developed anew every year

I've just seen a friend's little girl become very, very poorly thanks to a disease that she should have been vaccinated against.

She is thankfully recovering now, but there was a scary time when it was thought that she might not.

It didn't help. There are lots of people who had enough sense to clock that things like the behavioural nudges were an attempt to manipulate them, but not enough sense to realise that this didn't mean everything anyone in any position of authority says must also be manipulation.

In my Twitter feed there is something that gives details of women who died in the armed forces in WW2

Bear in mind that these were mostly young, and there were a lot of issues in some cases about accommodation but a very high proportion of them seemed to have died from disease - in the UK not abroad.

So be thankful for vaccines and antibiotics

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