Anti valuers are dumb and pathetic

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Anti-vaxxers shouldn’t even consider having children until they develop a basic sense of responsibility.

I’m beyond frustrated hearing about measles outbreaks again and again. I fully understand that some parents genuinely cannot vaccinate their children using live vaccines due to legitimate medical conditions that weaken the immune system, but outside of those rare cases, there is no excuse apart from being totally and utterly DUMB and people that are do dumb and irresponsible should not be reproducing..

This would be a ridiculous way to go about things because you would still be offering guardians the option to decline, then later prosecuting them due to an "act of god" when all they did was take an option that was available and perfectly legal at the time.

If you are going to take a draconian approach to vaccination, then it would be an order of magnitude more reasonable, and pragmatic, to just make it a legal obligation, and immediately prosecute any parent who refuses. But that's not going to happen either because it tramples all over concepts of body-autonomy and the right to choose your own treatment.

There would have to be some new law whereby for the purpose of vaccination and that alone, children would be considered wards of the State, but I can't see that flying either.

The poster is lying though. They have no experience of death from vaccine.

don't let a liar dictate your views or make you feel warm and cozy for accommodating them

I don't trust the COVID vaccine but do all the childhood ones

I'm not entirely sure contracting and entirely preventable disease is as act of God though is it. That's like saying folk that died of cholera or bubonic plague died due to an act of God, they didn't they died because of poor hygiene and a lack of understanding.

At the very least, it has to be child abuse. Imagine your child contracting something you could have prevented and passing away because of it? I mean Christ, you take your child out of school for five days and your getting a fine. Yet there's no punishment for doing something that could legitimately lead to their death?

Barring a health condition or a legitimate reason not to vaccinated there's absolutely no reason at all children shouldn't be protected. "Mummy thinks you might get Autism, or get a little poorly" or any other crap is not an excuse or a reason not to vaccinate.

Children who arent vaccinated unless it is for very clear medical reasons, not batshit internet dr google, should not be allowed in places where they can mix with other children. and I say this as someone who did have an adverse reaction to the first covid vaccine and am still suffering from that but recognise in being vaccinated I did not spread the virus and kill someone.

It’s a good point though, there cant be a choice if you can then be prosecuted for taking one of the available choices.

what you’re suggesting is legally mandating vaccination, but the problem with that is enforcement would ultimately lead to detaining and physically restraining children to inject them, and neither our medical or legal system (or society) supports this kind of action.

Unfortunately, nowadays so many people distrust public health campaigns and anything to do with science. Look at the scepticism about climate science from people who claim to have "done their own research". I blame a lot of this on the absolute shit show the Tories managed during Covid. There are those who believe everything, but there are loads who don't believe anything they're told out of principle. The "chem trails wake up sheeple" types.

We have been lulled into complacency by the rarity of these diseases because of mass vaccinations. Those old enough to remember children being serously harmed and dieing due to measles, whooping cough and polio are generally very supportive of vaccines

This. It shows how ignorantand stupid people really are

Abusing people about this issue isn’t going to help anyone. The only thing that will help is clear, helpful language and education with room for questions and issues to be raised without people screaming abuse. This kind of thread only entrenches positions.

Its repulsive of people to use the spectre of a childs death to push their anti vax agenda.

I am old enough to have known older people with Polio and the life long effects it had on them and I also have a relative who has a brain injury due to measles, I understand that some children can't have vaccines but surely if "yours" can you should.

It makes me sick. I am due my second in the summer and the thought of measles and meningitis send shivers down my spine.

I am on a home birth group on Facebook and someone has posted that there kids aren’t vaccinated but are giving vitamins and probiotics to fight it off…. I am stunned at these people, honestly the ego they must have to think they know better is astounding.

I also know someone whose child is extremely medically complex and was unable to get some of these vaccines. The mum is worrying about having to put her household into a self imposed lockdown out of fear.

The irony. Just because you dont get charged for vaccinations doesnt mean the NHS doesnt. This is what all those 'weirdo' 'stupid' 'DUMB' anti-vaxxers mean when they refer to 'big pharma'. The NHS spends hundreds of millions annually on the procurement of vaccinations alone. Acting as if all medical guidance is done in the name of good will and good intentions is incredible naive. Everything is about money.

Im not speaking against vaccinations, but who the hell are you to go off on an abusive rant about people who choose not to vaccinate their children? Dictating they shouldn't be allowed to procreate if theyre not willing to do it? Are you insane? Could you imagine if there was a law dictating who can and cant have kids based on vaccination views. Insanity.

Also worth noting that all of the research that you put all your faith into is done whilst working within a paradigm, and funded by the companies selling the vaccinations. One to consider when thinking about the cherry-picking of data and published results, as well as any exaggeration of correlation coefficients showing the efficiency of such medicines.

"My body my choice" always goes out the window real quick when vaccinations are mentioned, huh.

And before you attack me with the mindless "hEhE StUpId AnTiVaXxEr' im not against vaccinations. What I am against is blindly believing the research of a company trying to make a profit, just because they wear lab coats and goggles. What I am against is insulting other people for their personal choices about their and their children's bodies. Look after yourself and your family. There are many reasons why people decide against vaccinations, and it has not a thing to do with you.

Google is a good place to look for information but you do have to have enough knowledge in the first place to know which sites to go to for correct information which have the facts verified.
@worldshottestmom actually astra zeneca made nothing from their COVID vaccine they sold at cost price. And most researchers don't just put on a white coat and goggles they have years of education and experience plus the scientists want to do a good job - if they wanted to make a fortune they would have gone into banking as they are bright enough

Spot on.

I was one of them when I was younger but that's no reason not to believe in the science. Vaccines are effective for the majority and are you really going to chance it if you don't have to.

I think it's fine if people don't want to vaccinate their children actually.

As long as they don't socialise, educate, travel, work with normal people and as long as their get their medical help from the same sources as their anti-vax information... go see Sandra from Cornwall on Tiktik when your kid gets measles... stay away from the evil NHS.

How many years of rigorous testing went into the Covid vaccine before deeming it safe for the public? If you cpukd find that info and pop it over to me, id love to send it to my mum who now has a chronic, life limiting disease that was sparked by this supposed sage vaccine. And before you say it, it has been confirmed that it was the vaccine that did this to her.

This does come across as an ill informed conspiracy.

If you choose not to vaccinate your children then you are putting them at risk. It's dumb and I pity the children of antivaxxers. Not just because they are at risk of preventable illnesses, but also because they are being misled by their parents.

And I can tell you of multiple people who have life changing issues resulting from long covid. The difference between me and you is I'm not making it up

People don't realise how devastating some "childhood" illnesses can be, because they're rarely seen these days. Being ancient, I can remember only too well.

A neighbour had a child a couple of years older than me who was quite badly disabled as a result of having polio, now virtually eradicated thanks to a worldwide vaccination programme.

One of my earliest memories is of being very ill with measles and the doctor visiting to see if I needed to go into hospital; a second is my mother crying (with relief) when I was finally well enough to want something to eat. Years later, she told me that two children at my nursery school had died of measles in that outbreak.

I was off school for 2 weeks when I had German measles at 6. I had mumps at 14, which could have affected my fertility (although that is rarer in girls than in boys). I was more pissed off that it meant I was stuck in bed for a big chunk of the summer holidays.

And I wish there'd been a chicken pox vaccine when I was a child. I got it when I was 36 and was so ill that I was off work for 3 weeks, and suffered repeated attacks of shingles for a couple of years afterwards.

We'd still have sodding smallpox if it wasn't for vaccinations.

I do my own research people get on my fucking tits.
Theyre the most likely people ever to fall for grifters. It’s the ego stroking they’re not like others and somehow more intelligent.
Ive recently lost my best friend to this cult bollocks so Im feeling a bit sore about it all. But once someone falls down a rabbit hole you can’t get them back. Shes made other friends with other people who believe climate change is a hoax and vaccines aren’t necessary and fresh air cures everything bollocks.
I also hate any form of spirituality. I find it victim blaming at the highest level in many ways. All this “we choose our parents” shit. Im sure baby Heather West would disagree if her parents hadn’t sexually abused her, murdered her and buried her in the back yard.
It’s all connected to the Andrew Tate shit show.
All utter bullshit.

I think many people here picture a white crunchy mummy or maga type when they hold a mental image of someone who doesn't vaccinate their children.

The reality is that the majority are non ethnically British and belong to different communities, might not speak English well, might not be particularly affluent and likely have a lot of children, statistically the more older siblings a child has, the less likely they are to be vaccinated.

The issues are less around vaccine refusal and more around the need for making it easier to get kids vaccinated.

I agree to some extent, but I think the government and the NHS have to take some of the blame for poor public health messaging and the fact that many vaccines just aren't available enough. With the meningitis B that's going around right now, people should have been offered vaccinations for it on the NHS long before it got to this stage, rather than it being something only people who can afford to pay £200 privately can get. I also think it would help if they were just more upfront and honest in their messaging.
It became a real issue when officials started downplaying the risks of covid infections and implying it was actually a good thing to catch all sorts of infections just to build "natural immunity." It was obvious they only pushed that narrative because they wanted kids in schools and adults at work for the sake of the economy. It was always nonsense, but that kind of messaging has now bled into everything else. It has convinced people that it is fine to catch and spread dangerous diseases and that infections are somehow good for you or improve your immune system. I know people who are convinced that catching measles would be good for their children and build up their immune systems! Because public health in this country is generally so poor and inconsistent it's no wonder people are left confused and misinformed.