Anti valuers are dumb and pathetic

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Anti-vaxxers shouldn’t even consider having children until they develop a basic sense of responsibility.

I’m beyond frustrated hearing about measles outbreaks again and again. I fully understand that some parents genuinely cannot vaccinate their children using live vaccines due to legitimate medical conditions that weaken the immune system, but outside of those rare cases, there is no excuse apart from being totally and utterly DUMB and people that are do dumb and irresponsible should not be reproducing..

Yeh. Where was this research done? In their own personal lab? Makes my blood boil.

It's caring about the numbers!

But does require empathy and imagination too

A quick Google suggest mandatory Smallpox vaccination ceased in 1948 when the NHS took over responsibility for childhood vaccination and the pertinent legislation was repealed, but vaccination as a matter of course continued until 1971 whereupon it ceased due to irrelevance.

This shows that yet again, there are precedents for the State taking the choice out of the hands of Guardians. As much as I'm not always in favour of State interference in private lives or medical choices, sometimes there are situations where the State has to step in and protect citizens from their own stupidity.

One of my Dc are of age of the Mmr debacle, and this is I think where anti vaxxing i stems from, it seems inbedded in people and it is just passed down, I had a few friends not vaccinate their children and as a result their children have not vaccinated their children so there is generations of unactivated people acting like it is "the norm" and think others are just blindly following the crowd without researching.

Sadly, many people are taken in by these types of books. It's not really their fault, most don't understand what peer reviewed means.

There are people out there making lots of money selling these types of books. The author didn't even put their name to it, probably didn't want people to check, what if any, scientific background they have. Lots of charlatans in the 'anti' market with lots of people to squeeze money from. Also lots of 'snake oil salesmen' with alternative products to sell. It's awful how some profit from the worries of others.

Have a read of the debunk of the turtles book @CheesyToes sadly, these book sellers are out to make money out of people's fears. Not nice.

You can still contract meningitis b even if youve been vaccinated.

It's really sad that the grifters prey on the worries of others just to make money by selling more books.

Rather telling that the poster says "it gets expensive".

Thank you. I remember seeing so many people with large scars

Same.

If a "fact" is backed up by "they"/mainstream media won't tell you/don't want you to know, I automatically file it in my bullshit drawer. It's not even worth looking into.

Off topic, but who is "they"? Does anyone know? And why do "they" want us to be sick, poor, and uneducated?

Weird that there's apparently so on much evidence to back up the anti-vax stance yet all we've been given is one book written by someone too embarrassed to even put their name on it.

No, but I almost lost my toddler to measles which the hospital assured me was due to not enough people vaccinating in the local area.

I find your post repulsive and ignorant.

I'm not an anti vaxxer but my dad was almost killed by MSD on one of their VIOXX 'trials' (a few months before it was withdrawn). Many many thousands of people were killed by that drug and they knew what was happening...the reps were trained in how to deflect questions. My dad was the first person to take them to court and he actually won but there was only a small article in the Telegraph and most people couldn't afford to take them to court. He had legal cover with his home insurance and somehow his solicitor got some extra funding from somewhere.

So yes Pharmaceutical companies can be pretty evil. They do a lot of good too but their primary aim is profit.

What always annoys me is the belief that the Covid 19 ‘came out of nowhere’ and so can’t be trusted. No it didn’t, it came from years and years of research in to SARS and other viral vector vaccines.
Think of it like the flu vaccine offered each year, they don’t create that from scratch but built from existing vaccines.
Scientists around the world were also given unlimited funding which made a huge difference in the timescales and worked together to share information. It was an amazing achievement.

It still wasn't tested on humans and you know full well it wasn't. That can't be rushed through...

The Covid ‘vaccine’ was and is NOT a vaccine. It doesn’t stop you getting Covid, it just reduces the strength of the symptoms.

It should never have been referred to as a vaccine.

Will we ever find out?

Whoever They are, They're as evil as all the Marvel, DC and Bond villains put together. They are very, very bad Indeed. They need to watch more Netflix and play some ping-pong.

Also, it seems as though conspiracy addicts automatically think everything MSM says is lies while believing what any old lunatic spouts on "dark" forums without question.

WAKE UP!!! indeed 🙄

Well each year’s new flu vaccine isn’t tested on humans either. It might not have been the perfect solution but what would you have done?

And if this means that the vaccination rate drops by 10%, then 20%..

What do you think the outcome will be?

I’ve got plenty of money. Please list the books you recommend.

It was tested on humans.

I know, I was one of the volunteers

Well it bothers me that babies who are too young for vaccines are put at risk of death because of anti vaxxers.

I don’t know, I can’t find it in me to be angry at anyone, I feel that everyone is genuinely believing they’re doing their best with the information they have.

My children are fully vaccinated as I had a relative who had polio so have seen the first hand impact of that, however while I believe the vaccines do keep these awful diseases away, I’m also not naive enough to think that every component of those vaccines isn’t harmful to us, who’s to say they don’t increase the risk of other diseases later in life? Pharmaceuticals is a big big business controlled by billionaires. With the rise of Trump and how corrupt the western world is showing itself to be recently, I do understand why people may be wary of blindly trusting them.

The corporate and state media who are given incentives to feed you information that serves their interests with the aim of generating compliance with narratives and objectives which induce you to feel and behave in ways that align with their interests and ensure they do not face scrutiny. Often through soft peddling or blatantly ignoring stories that go against the prevailing sentiment.

See 'Weapons of mass destruction' and 'America was at imminent risk of being attacked by Iran'

There's a balance. It is true that the mainstream media do indeed frame stories in ways that serve other agendas.

It is also true that alternative media can lack the rigour and fact checking in some contexts that MSM do.

I definitely think everyone should be consuming both if they wish to be well informed. A wise person goes to several sources and does not rely on one.

I am not anti-vacination, but I am passionately pro-parental choice when it comes to the decision to vaccinate. In no way should parents be forced to vaccinate their children, neither should people be coerced by withdrawal of vitally important services into doing getting vaxxed themselves, as was tried during the pandemic.

People making stupid choices and having to suffer as a result of being part of the group is the downside of democracy and autonomy. Take voting. If for e.g. people decide to vote for a party that has nasty discriminatory policies that cause significant even lethal harm to some in the population it's horrible, but that is the price of democracy and autonomy. Very Unfortunately.