Anti valuers are dumb and pathetic

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Anti-vaxxers shouldn’t even consider having children until they develop a basic sense of responsibility.

I’m beyond frustrated hearing about measles outbreaks again and again. I fully understand that some parents genuinely cannot vaccinate their children using live vaccines due to legitimate medical conditions that weaken the immune system, but outside of those rare cases, there is no excuse apart from being totally and utterly DUMB and people that are do dumb and irresponsible should not be reproducing..

The only point I am making is that it's over the top to HATE people you view as anti vaxxers, when some of those people may have tried to vaccinate and then their children didn't cope well with it, so they stopped. This blind hatred whipped up by the media etc is over the top

I'm glad he survived the others.

Everyone who doesn't stick to the schedule is labelled anti vaxxer. Even those who have HAD shots, but dare to talk about side effects are labels anti vaxxer.

I think you are one of the dumbos. I refer to here. Ever heard of herd immunity???

If most people are immune (usually through vaccination or past infection), the disease can’t easily “jump” from person to person.
This indirectly protects people who aren’t immune, like babies, elderly individuals, or those with weakened immune systems.

Idiots not getting their kids vaccinated means herd immunity has DROPPED and people are at RISK.

it was an unusual situation. The point still stands that vaccine preventable diseases are more deadly than vaccines. So I took the advice of experts and vaccinated him against the other diseases when there was no more risk involved than anyone else in the general population . All vaccines are different it would be very unusual for a child to be allergic to all vaccines .

It’s not ‘extremely’ as rare as you think. I’m not an anti vaxxer as you are calling it, but I won’t have a covid shot as they told my son that his boys were in no uncertain terms to get it ( both have cystic fibroses) that was enough information for me.

I agree. It's ridiculous and only serves to get people's backs up.

My children all received all their vaccines and some extra private ones but it hasn't stopped another poster accusing me of being anti vax. All because I said I had some sympathy for anti vaxxers because of the pandemrix debacle, covid vax injuries etc. ie some sympathy, I can see why some would feel like that, not I agree with them wholeheartedly.

It's as if some people can't comprehend 2 different views at the same time without short circuiting 😂

I think the difference is that one "point of view" is backed up by decades of medical studies, and supported by people who have studied disease and vaccines for decades, while the other is backed up by YouTubers who have a loose grip on reality.

It's not so much one POV vs another as it is fact vs fiction. I have no respect for anyone who believes their "research" makes them more qualified than scientists and medical professionals who have spent their entire adult lives studying one topic.

You wouldn't trust some randomer on the dark web to perform surgery on your child, yet thousands are willing to trust their children's lives, and the lives of those unable to be vaccinated through no fault of their own, to randomers on the internet. It would be funny if it weren't so dangerous.

I think there is a lot of false information about vaccines. Covid itself has caused a lot of people’s immune systems to attack their bodies. People then assume it’s the vaccine.

Exactly. There's a middle ground and compassion for those who are perhaps injured or metabolise differently and can't have certain shots. It's good to see someone else on here with a more balanced view!

I’m allergic to penicillin. If I took it I would be very ill or could die. Would that mean that all antibiotics are bad and no one should take them, or just that I, a singular person, had a bad reaction to one particular type.

Vaccines themselves are not bad, but doubtless some people will have reactions to them. Vaccines are responsible for saving millions of lives, as are antibiotics. Just because I’m allergic to one antibiotic doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t take them. Just because some people react badly to vaccines doesn’t make them inherently unsafe.

Many years ago now one of the Scandinavian countries conducted a risk/benefit analysis of vaccines.

I understand that it came down very strongly in favour of vaccination but I have no idea where to find it.

True but I think you need to ask MNHQ to edit your header...

I'm not thinking of people who use YouTube for medical advice though. I think when you think of anti vaxers and when I think of anti vaxers we're considering 2 different types of people.

You see all anti vaxers as the sort of people who learn about the world through YouTube, tictok etc which I agree is unhealthy in all sorts of ways, not just for health advice.

I imagine many, not all anti vaxers are people who are worried and scared to do the wrong thing for their and their children's health. The reason they are scared is because of past experience such as pandemrix, government mandates, well documented issues with the covid vax and lack of understanding about these concerns.

I don't believe that all anti vaxers think in the same way or have the same motivation. That's what I mean by different points of view.

“Anti vax folk are all Morons” is the same as “all brexit voters are racist”.

I mean the Venn diagrams for anti vaxxer/moron and brexit/racist are pretty close together; but they fundamentally also show a dissatisfaction with the current system to meet their needs, and that I can empathise with even if I think those people are being misled by charlatans.

I didn’t call anyone an anti vaxxer. And I’m not sure I understand what you mean about your grandchildren with Cystic Fibrosis. It is recommended that children who are physically vulnerable or immunosuppressed have the Covid vaccine. Why would that advice stop you from having it?

I would absolutely agree that it helps no one to label people who do not give their children vaccines dumb, stupid etc. Nobody ever hears this and thinks 'yes - I have been stupid i must go out and vacinate my child'. Instead it angers people, they feel persecuted and they stop listening.

However, there is no doubt that scientific evidence supports the UK childhood vaccination schedule. The benefits of standard childhood vaccines far, far outweigh the risks. If you have concerns discuss them with your GP who has years of medical training and can access your child's nedical records. They are best placed to advise you.

I do not apologise for post this information about measles again.

A child with measles will have to spend about five days in bed and could miss two weeks of school. Even in wealthier countries such as the UK, around one in every 15 children with measles will develop more serious complications.
These can include:
ear infection (otitis media) in about 8% of measles cases (about 1 in 12 people)
pneumonia in up to 6% of measles cases (up to 1 in 16 people
diarrhoea in about 8% of measles cases (about 1 in 12 people)
encephalitis (inflammation of the brain): 1 case for every 1000-2000 cases of measles. Encephalitis can lead to permanent brain damage.
In countries like the UK, measles causes death in about 1 in 5000 cases.
In rare cases, measles can lead to a condition called SSPE (subacute sclerosing panencephalitis). SSPE is a persistent viral infection, a devastating complication of measles which leads to a progressive destruction of the central nervous system. Symptoms can develop years after the initial infection. It results in dementia, loss of motor control, epilepsy and eventually death.

Vaccines protect children from these side effects. They prevent deaths and lifelong disabilities.

Child in Liverpool dies from measles:

https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2025/expert-comment-child-dies-liverpool-after-contracting-measles

Low vaccination rates lead to infant infections in babies too young to be vaccinated. Infant infections can have devastating consequences.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.liverpool.ac.uk/2025/09/16/child-dies-from-complications-of-measles-years-after-infection-sspe-explained/amp/

Ignore this, posted on wrong thread.

Wrong thread?

Oh yes sorry haha

A local population survey in Germany showed that children under 5 who had measles had a 1 in 1700 to 1 in 3300 chance of developing SSPE. Children under the age of 3 faced a nearly twofold increased risk. In California, children under 5 had a 1 in 1367 risk, and those under the age of 1 had a 1 in 607 risk of postmeasles SSPE (Mekki et al. 2019).

Read upthread about whst SSPE is. Vaccination prevents measles. If you choose to vaccinate you can reduce the risk of SSPE post vaccination to almost 0.

That's weird, because I was in a clinical trial of the vaccines.

Not that I agree with anti-vaxxers, but what an unfortunate typo in the headline of a thread dedicated to calling people with dissenting views, "dumb and pathetic".

So was I. The Novavax one