Anti valuers are dumb and pathetic

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Anti-vaxxers shouldn’t even consider having children until they develop a basic sense of responsibility.

I’m beyond frustrated hearing about measles outbreaks again and again. I fully understand that some parents genuinely cannot vaccinate their children using live vaccines due to legitimate medical conditions that weaken the immune system, but outside of those rare cases, there is no excuse apart from being totally and utterly DUMB and people that are do dumb and irresponsible should not be reproducing..

Go on then share the links.

I completely agree with this! The OP and many of the PPs are vile! They need to talk to the victims or families who have been seriously harmed by vaccines.

Find them yourself lazy bones! It’s not hidden information.

I’m mean, I’m completely pro vax but who would give a shit about the graves of some random strangers? Weird idea

What a surprise that this is your response.

So basically

"There's loads of evidence"

"Show me"

"No"

It's not that they are meant to care about dead strangers. It's that seeing the impact epidemics of now preventable diseases used to have; multiple children from the same family dying in the same week etc might just drive home the potential impact of everyone stopped vaccinating.

I thought that was fairly obvious what the poster meant.

I knew this would be the response from an anti vaxxer. They make unsubstantiated claims. People ask for evidence. They say find it yourself. Soneone obviously didn't study science after leaving school. They don't understand how making a statement requires evidence to support.

Hence why anti vaxxers are often laughed at. Make a claim, so prove it. They never can, or you get tic tok nonsense. 🙄

How on earth would you know what sort of research people undertake? Many people are analytical critical thinkers who are able to read detailed information to make an informed decision. You sound incredibly snobby.

A small number of people—numbering in the thousands globally—have experienced serious adverse events linked to the vaccination. These reactions are rare compared to the over 13 billion doses administered globally.
A secondary analysis of Phase III trial data for Pfizer and Moderna vaccines suggested an excess risk of serious adverse events of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated participants. .........or 0.125%
Evidence strongly suggests that the risk of serious complications—including myocarditis and clotting—is much higher from a COVID-19 infection than from a COVID-19 vaccination.

wowzas. You sound unhinged. You’ve made a judgement of me, labelled me without even knowing anything about me. You are very unpleasant.
What you don’t realise is that you can laugh at ‘anti-vaxxers’ all you like, this is a reflection on you, not them.

I just asked you to back up your claims with evidence. The teenage type reply 'find it yourself lazybones' speaks for itself. You have no evidence to back up your claims.

Pretty typical really. The response from someone who hasn't studied to a higher level.

Anti valuers are dumb and pathetic

I thought this was going to be a thread about people who hate Antiques Roadshow.

we could sign post you all day long. You’re not going to read Jack shit. Your mind is made up, and it’s not for me to change it.
Many ‘anti-vaxxers’ have sadly been forced to do their own research because they’re injured or have a child that’s died from vaccines. I’m pleased you’ve never experienced this.

I responded to your response. You have a typical response.

"Wowzas" "find it yourself lazybones"

Are you a teenager? Are you able to debate and offer evidence like an adult?

It appears not.

I'm sure some people would read it. You made the claim, back it up.

What do you think of this article?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00414-9/fulltext

Did you read that?

Yeh whatever . My child had a rare life threatening reaction to a vaccine and ended up in hospital. I still had him vaccinated for everything else

how on earth do you know what my credentials and qualifications are?

Come on then @CheesyToes were all waiting and willing to read.

It's very predictable.

However, at least the queues of people waiting to get the Meningitis B vaccine today are taking this seriously.

Have you? Because I know people who have lost children to measles….

Go on then, enlighten us.

Infectious childhood diseases can lead to death and serious complications.
For example, measles:

A child with measles will have to spend about five days in bed and could miss two weeks of school. Even in wealthier countries such as the UK, around one in every 15 children with measles will develop more serious complications. These can include:

• ear infection (otitis media) in about 8% of measles cases (about 1 in 12 people)
• pneumonia in up to 6% of measles cases (up to 1 in 16 people)
• diarrhoea in about 8% of measles cases (about 1 in 12 people)
• encephalitis (inflammation of the brain): 1 case for every 1000-2000 cases of measles. Encephalitis can lead to permanent brain damage.

In countries like the UK, measles causes death in about 1 in 5000 cases. In rare cases, measles can lead to a condition called SSPE (subacute sclerosing panencephalitis). SSPE is a persistent viral infection, a devastating complication of measles which leads to a progressive destruction of the central nervous system. Symptoms can develop years after the initial infection. It results in dementia, loss of motor control, epilepsy and eventually death.

https://vaccineknowledge.ox.ac.uk/measles#More-information

Serious complications from standard childhood vaccinations are rare. There are no recent recorded cases of deaths. For example the MMR has caused no deaths.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathorinjurycausedbymmrmeaslesmumpsandrubellavaccine

Children and adults have died from the conplications from measles in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-historic-confirmed-cases-notifications-and-deaths/measles-historic-confirmed-cases-notifications-and-deaths

People become frustrated and upset because not vaccinating children exposes them and others to serious health risks.

Calling people dumb/stupid/ignorant/idiots etc. doesn't help. Health education campaigns have to be redoubled. Access to vaccines need to be made easier.

For anyone who is genuinely interested in understanding more about vaccines - for or against. I would suggest starting with the well researched, factual book called Turtles All the Way Down. There are also many other books that are fully backed by the studies that claim that vaccines are safe and effective.
If you start with this book, you will naturally move onto other material and websites.
I have around 10 books that I have read - again, each and every one references the studies that have been carried out for every vaccines (excluding the covid vaccines).

Either way, it’s a deeply personal decision and I would never judge those that do/don’t vaccinate.

All the best.

I can & have provided links to reputable sources about the known harms of childhood diseases and the lack of deaths related to MMR. If I had time I could do it for other childhood vaccines.
Those against vaccines are not linking reputable sources.