America will never regain the credibility they have lost

[GloiredeDijon]

AIBU to believe that come what may America has lost all credibility in the world and even if they eventually unseat the current regime nobody will trust them ever again, or at the very least for a very, very long time indeed.

I think it depends on how long Trump serves and who they replace him with. I would think the longer he's there, the harder it is to wind things back that he's done / will do ?

Trump is deranged.
Before the next presidential election all candidates should have to face a thorough mental examination.

I agree. The first time voting him in, that was dire, the republican party let the nation down. Then the democrats "won" but let America down by choosing the wrong person, then the Republicans let America down again by allowing Trump to run again. This past year is just the recent bad stuff. It's a decade of bad choices, they can't be trusted to make good decisions.

Yeah I agree. I don't think America will ever been seen in the same was it was prior to 2017

Yes, I think the world will view the US differently as a result of Trump.

I could be looking at things from far away, but I cannot get over how little mass objection there is to the Marmalade Moron and his antics. He is representing the country home and abroad but is so mad that no asylum would admit him.

Are people afraid, resigned or waiting in the wings?

Also, I don't see anyone on the Democrat side, or even on the "soft" Republican side emerging as a decent alternative for the next term. Hope needs to be out there for a change. Maybe it's happening in the background.

If the mid terms don't change the formation of the Senate etc., then the world can give up and then yes, the US will be done for I think.

They have that already and it has been very successful. Nearly all presidential candiates have been mental for at least the last 30 years.

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I have even less desire to go to the US now. The orange man is increasingly insande.
Having said that I’m worried about the state of the UK these days: the reform voters are just as bad. I’m a bit scared!!!!

I think they have certainly served to make themselves much more isolated from the world and paved the way for other nations to take the mantle of 'leader of the free world', which was always a hypocritical statement from the US.

Suspect the US economy will slowly decline and other nations will take over as the world's leading economy, simply by virtue of the fact that US citizens will get poorer and there will be less reliance on them economically. Certainly from a trade perspective the damage is now irrevocable.

Trump has basically ensured that the US will no longer will at the top of the tree and that the world order will change.

It will be interesting how the Trump descendants will live with that legacy.

They did. It was called the campaign trail and included multiple debates, interviews and speeches on policy, issues of the day and campaign promises. He got voted in anyway.

That's not the same as actually testing whether someone has the mental clarity to have responsibility for the nuke buttons. Biden shouldn't have been elected on the same grounds.

I think they could but it will take time and the right approach.

The US is an economic and military superpower. It's in the best interests of a lot of countries, UK/EU included, to keep them as on-side as possible. There'd be a lot of motivation for the West to move past Trump's chaos but it would depend on what the republican party does next.

I think there's a fair amount of republican senators and congresspeople who are aware of the tiger they're riding and are deeply concerned about the inevitable dismount. But there's lots of others are nevertheless happy to go along with the dismantling of the checks and balances as that'll be to their advantage in the long term.

How is that going to be tested in an examination exactly? He would have to have a diagnosis of a disorder to conclude he wasnt fit for office. Who is going to make that call? The assessor would just be said to be biased or not professional enough, doesnt know what they're talking about etc etc.

There are people around the world who think he is completely fine. I heard a phone in on BBC2 recently where they had 2 opposing views, a solicitor who called him deranged (this was just after he started bombing Iran) and unsafe and then someone opposite to her who couldnt believe that someone would view him like that, thought he was just fine and dandy thank you and making coherant and resaonble decisions.

Seems a rather blanket statement. Never?

Look at Germany and Japan. Enemies in WW2 and now respected members of the international community.

I think most sensible people are able to separate the nation from the current President / regime. It’s clear Trump is increasingly isolated, even amongst the right wingers who previously were his cheerleaders.

Look at Germany and Japan. Enemies in WW2 and now respected members of the international community.

But I think that's the point @Duffyuip. It's taken, what? 50-60 years to get to that point for Germany and Japan? Even before Russia invaded Ukraine, everyone side-eyed them because of the Cold War in the 1960s.

I'm only 41, but even in my lifetime, I would say it's only in the last 20 years that the overwhelming rhetoric of "Germany = bad guys" has disappeared.

Yes, the US will eventually recover from this. But this isn't going to be a quick fix. This is going to be decades of goodwill to come back from this. It's not going to be possible for a change in president = we all love america again. Certainly Canada and Greenland will never trust them again.

Some of us never thought America was credible. Not with their track record of bombing nations supposedly to bring peace.
And no, that doesn't mean I support the Iranian regime.

The US is a failed nation founded on an evil that it still has not excised.

Much like some diseases can lurk for many years with no apparent symptoms, it has "flared up" again.

This is pretty strong going. That first line.

Not if you are an American who knows their own history. (They said it at the time, only no one was listening).

Do you mean Americans view themselves as having failed - for not being more religious?

I can believe that

I’m not sure what you mean here, who said what at the time?

This is a really helpful and hopeful reminder actually.

Of course they will

their reputation around the world after Nixon and the Vietnam war was extremely poor they have had credible Presidents since

as as pp stated Germany and Japan have regained respect