America will never regain the credibility they have lost

[GloiredeDijon]

AIBU to believe that come what may America has lost all credibility in the world and even if they eventually unseat the current regime nobody will trust them ever again, or at the very least for a very, very long time indeed.

People talk about Nixcn but there was real shock at his techniques and tactics. And he had to resign. Nothing will make Trump resign. Trump's supporters actually stormed the citadel and he was just elected president again!

Sadly i don't think they give a shit.

A nation who would vote him in aren't going to be particularly self aware.

Not sure about the word "credibility".

But the way America presents itself to the world and its geopolitical objectives have been changing for some time, even before Trump.

Irrespective of who leads the US, the world is transitioning from a state where there is only one dominant superpower (the US) to a state where there is more than one (China and possibly the EU, although the EU doesn't spend enough on military to be classed as a superpower at the moment).

This transition will happen whatever party is in power in the US. It may happen in lumps and bumps rather than a steady shift, but it will continue to happen whoever is in power.

It's also worth remembering that US governments tend to be interested in what their electorate thinks of them, not what the rest of the world does. A consequence of democracy.

He was voted in twice ffs. It’s not as if they are ashamed of him. A larger majority of the population must think he’s a good choice.

And the UK appears to be next to vote for a terrifying leader.

I think if the President after 2028 is someone level headed, especially if not a Republican, the U.S. will be seen as positively as it was under Clinton, George Bush senior, or Barack Obama.

People have short memories.

America has always had enemies and naysayers who've ranged in their views from advocating total destruction of America to merely wanting a bit less of it.

The big problem now is that this view is gaining traction in places that the US might previously have viewed as supportive, even unquestioning allies; places like Europe and Canada. Even pro-US Gulf states (by which I really mean anti-Iran states) might find that America is not the easy sell it used to be. And it's all self-inflicted by one High Priest and a gang of acolytes who do not seem to grasp the entirely foreseeable consequences of their stupidity actions, and trade in lies and bullshit rather than facts or truth.

Worse than that, this whole misadventure has put paid to the lie of the Constitution's checks and balances.

I can foresee a time where a more sensible President might mend bridges and rebuild trust, but the idea of putting all a country's eggs in one American basket is surely long gone now. Any government would be derelict in its duties if they are not finding alternatives to America in absolutely every walk of life, and global consumers may well beat them to it.

They say it takes a lifetime to build a reputation and a minute to lose it. Ultimately the US has the dynamism to bounce back and become a valued part of the world order in time, but trust them again? Not to the point where I didn't have a backup plan.

The big problem now is that this view is gaining traction in places that the US might previously have viewed as supportive, even unquestioning allies; places like Europe and Canada.

How far back does your history book go ? Europe and Canada have never been "unquestioning allies".

Yeah, but there is a large group who would vote Republican if they fielded a banana rather than vote left.

I don’t think it’ll take long at all. Look at all the lessons we’ve forgotten from ww2 already.

Less of the "we" please.

Unfortuantely, people have very short memories and, even more unfortunately, the majority are often swayed by someone telling them what they want to hear (hence voting for Trump again). So, whilst it would be satisfying if America got its just desserts, most world leaders are practical enough to recognise they have to liaise with whichever nut is in charge, so they plough ahead and do their best. I think a significant amount would be forgiven and forgotten if someone with more credibility won the next election and put the country back on an even keel, remembered what diplomacy is and reversed the more destructive policy decisions Trump has forced through.

Did you just sneak in that you agree with the insane crazies that the election was stolen . . . . .

I actually think that it would have been better if he had beaten Biden than winning this term. We wouldn't have JD Vance but Mike Pence who to be clear I wasn't a fan of but at least a seasoned politician and I think more of a stabilising influence. Can't imagine him being so rude to V Zelensky. At least he did right by the American people in declaring that Biden won the election sticking to the constitution and didn't throw his toys out of the pram over losing the election. This BTW is in preference to Trump winning this term of course it would be better if he hadn't won at all full stop but he would be out of the picture having done 2 terms consecutively.

Objectively speaking if he manages to get rid of the IRCG he will actually stabilise the middle east (funding cut off to hezbollah, hamas, houthis, iraqi milita) The economist reported that 90% of Venezuelans were grateful to Trump whilst being sceptical as to his motives.

Personally I think he’s an awful person but that doesn’t mean that the things he’s doing aren’t actually going to turn out to be good in the long term. I do womder of they hit venezuela first because the IRCG were using it to launder money and move drugs,

I really did not like his attitude towards Greenland and Ukraine but maybe it will give europe the kick up the arse it needs to start looking after it’s on interests a bit more.

my eyes have truly been opened to the blatant cronyism, ineptitude of appointed officials, the corruption of the presidential office and the extreme effects of lobbyist.
no government is perfect, but it's obvious that the us constitution has major loopholes. that the presidents use these loopholes in ways that are not the original intention.
in my lifetime the usa will never be held on any pedestal. even israel appears to have superior military intelligence and power.

Definitely they have a lot of ground to regain after their last president was a puppet with dementia whose handlers insisted men could magically become women

America will be fine 😄

Evil always survives

Honestly it doesn't really matter what Trump does, we rely on the USA for our national security so we have to put up with it. We did this to ourselves. We did not want to invest in our own military and left our security to them. A very sad state to be in. Unless we want to accept Russia or China, we are stuck with America. And no, the EU is not a force on a par with the superpowers either.

Yes and no. On the one hand we all know it’s Trump and not necessarily representative of the country but then 50% voted for him or thereabouts. I know many regret it but it was pretty massive mistake on many peoples parts. So in that regard yes.

Russia isnt able to take Ukraine with fairly modest support, and didn't fully manage it before any of the support they now get ramped up. They arent a remote threat to the EU, the UK has very poor stockpiles and issues, and would decimate Russian forces before running out quickly on it's own and then becoming more susceptibility - but that stockpile is supposed to be about a stopgap while starting up war production when needed, not supporting a war on its own.

China will dwarf the US if/when it becomes a fully developed nation and not hecause there is anything special, thats just the size difference. Superpowers are a propaganda word, all countries reach the size they are supposed to reach in todays world, the US was just the largest Western developed country, and so was by default the biggest. Calling it a superpower was about the propaganda machine they have running to convince their own citizens they are special, it was always just their normal size and nothing special happened for the most part.

If China ever becomes a threat if it becomes their natural size of power, the US wouldn't stand a chance anyway.

no government is perfect, but it's obvious that the us constitution has major loopholes. that the presidents use these loopholes in ways that are not the original intention.

Well that's one view. The US constitution is a magic trick. Wave it at nearly anyone, and they think they are somehow empowered.

My concern is that Trump can't, really can't, serve a 3rd term, based on the constitution, which is based on the (very) old Roman Republic (yes, that one)

I don't think it will stop him trying given the shenanigans when he wasn't reelected and here will be those who are motivated enough, or daft enough, to fall for it. However, the current state of affairs he has created may put off some of his natural supporters.

Agree.
Combined with the knowledge that they are completely controlled by Israel, protect pedophiles at any cost, has shattered whatever small bit of regard many had for them.
I wouldn't visit the USA for free, now or in the future.

the only credibility that matters is with the other world leaders, why would the govt care what average joe thinks etc ?

From what I have been reading, tourism has been absolutely decimated.
World cup tickets have tanked.
My two sons have given a hard swerve, together with 20 of their friends, to going to the US for the summer.
The average Joe is a tourist, and they are staying away in their thousands.