America will never regain the credibility they have lost

[GloiredeDijon]

AIBU to believe that come what may America has lost all credibility in the world and even if they eventually unseat the current regime nobody will trust them ever again, or at the very least for a very, very long time indeed.

I think Obama improved their image after Bush, if we get a few terms of decent presidents, younger generations will forget Trump.

My 2 sons live there. There have been lots of demonstrations maybe we are just not hearing about them. The party system is different there. The "opposition ' don't actually have a leader when they are not in power therefore no one to plan and drive the party. The Democrats have no leader and will pick someone nearer the run up to elections

and there will be many others who will go to the usa,

You didn’t progress history beyond 14 did you @GloiredeDijon ?

I think it shows the lack of experienced advisers surrounding Trump. How on earth he was allowed to get into the position he did over Greenland is beyond me. He's obviously miscalculated the response from Iran too. For all his shortcomings, Biden was a seasoned politician, he would never have got America in the position it finds it finds itself now.

I was following the Texas Senate nominations for a bit there recently and was impressed by James Talarico. Now he has to be Christian in Texas I suppose, but he seems to be the "real" variety, not the other sort IYSWIM. Anyway his speeches and presence were impressive for such a young guy. He got the nomination, and I thought to myself, there's someone who might be President one day! I'm not a fan of Gavin Newsom who is apparently up there for a possible Presidential run. I would be afraid to look at any Republican candidates, but I suppose I must one day soon after a deep breath. There may be some normal people in that cohort, who knows!

Perhaps you could explain your comment?

YY to James Talarico,
appears genuine and well educated.

Neither will Britain, but it's not exactly my problem.

They were after 9/11, when they responded to the US invocation of NATO's art.5 - the only time anyone has ever asked NATO for mutual assistance.

They're not offering blockade runners in the Straits of Hormuz now.

Another way of looking at it is to ask where the credibility came from.

Is it from respectful behaviour, adherence to the rule of law, democratic legitimacy, or compliance with international standards and conventions?

Or is it from US hegemony, particularly military and economic?

The loss of one of those is reversible. The other is probably not.

I cannot remember the last time they had any credibility to be honest. Obama, probably.

But Nixon? Reagan? Bush? Dubya? Clinton? Biden?

The average American appears poorly educated in general knowledge and world affairs and ready to vote in people who are as dim and unqualified as they are.

I’d like to think so but I believe people have short memories and will still defer to America because of its might and power and influence.

American military power seems to not be powerful at all; zero success in multiple excursions from Vietnam to Iraq so 50+ years. They make potentially excellent military gear BUT partially due to financial support from “allies”.
Defer to anerican what? Certainly not; diet, farming practices, fake beauty, or whatever else do they put out? movies?

And that is your only and only response
on your thread.

So no, you didn’t even take history beyond 14 I suspect

If that is the meaning behind the comment then you are as incorrect as you are rude and I can only assume that your somewhat oblique meaning is referring to the history of other countries such as Germany and Japan.

In my OP I did give the option of America regaining any credibility, such as these counties have, in a very, very long time.

I would also add that both Germany and Japan underwent significant change far beyond a simple change of leader at a time when, as losers of WW2, it became essential.

I find it unlikely that America would ever choose to do so without being subject to similar pressure and of course I sincerely hope such circumstances never arise.

I wonder why you are so keen to disparage my education instead of simply giving your opinion as others have done?

I suppose at least you have worded your criticism in a slightly clearer way this time.

On reading your initial attempt I could have asked in reply if you studied English beyond the age of 14 but I don’t generally stoop to irrelevant and unnecessary personal attack.

I think that's the least of their worries right now.

Most European governments believe the current crisis in the Strait is tied directly to the conflict between the United States, Israel, and Iran. As a result, they view armed escort missions as participation in a war rather than neutral maritime protection.

At least Nixon faced accountability. I just can’t see that happening with Trump.

Trump has surrounded himself almost exclusively with people with no political experience or capabilities. And so many norms of protocol and diplomacy and political skills have been swept aside. He just chose people who were his golfing buddies or Fox tv personalities who will be blindly loyal and do his bidding. Or ideological maniacs like Stephen Miller who are happy to be loyal to Trump to push through his hateful agenda. They all freely use terms like “scum” and “loser” and more to anyone who dares question them.

Honestly they are all so spineless and sycophantic that they walk around wearing Trump’s stupid, cheap shiny shoes like some mad cult. And they don’t even fit because Trump guesses their shoe sizes.

Trump is like Nero and Caligula and the worst excesses of the Roman Empire. And the stupidest thing if all is he’s still never going to happy. I think he’s still looking for his dad’s approval but that ain’t gonna happen.

Too Much and Never Enough indeed.

@ThatPearlkitty I think most allied countries have reviewed the legality of the conflict and it's just not there.
Oddly Canada has two counter mine vessels which have as per google just returned from European exercises with NATO, they were operational 5 months ago, now docked but neither our defense minister or prime minister have reminded Canadian's we own them or volunteered to send them.
Trump has been deplorable to Canada and he seems to have worn out any "neighborly" support. Maybe if he asked nicely and backtracked on 12 months of bullying comments.

i wonder if other countries will more likey to lend or help when or if oil prices go higher ?

As an American I disagree with you. He was a horrible president. But unfortunately we haven't had a good president in forever.

@ThatPearlkitty I'm not sure about other countries but I can't see Canadian's being phased by the oil price jump (which is an overall financial gain for Canada) and could be returned to the citizens via some type of subsidy, equally we export fertilizer so again could be a gain.

In what way was Obama a horrible president?

A horrible president? And you say that with a straight face knowing what classless bumbling buffoon you currently have in office?

Obama is articulate, intelligent, driven, speaks clearly and concisely, gives a shit about his country more than his ego and his wife was a proper first lady and lady full stop unlike that woman that is in there right now. He lead a country that he listened to he did not go starting wars to hide his past and quite frankly it is disturbing how quickly Ukraine is being ignored because of this, almost like a russian buddy of dementia donnie is being given a back door entry to complete his own ego driven war while the world is talking about this.