Just get mounjaro!

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The more threads I read, the more and more posters seem to respond with “just get mounjaro” for posters wanting to lose as little as 10 lbs to get within a healthy BMI. More traditional methods of weight loss appear to be out of fashion and as though you’d be foolish to do it the perceived hard way when you can just inject a drug.
I was reading a thread where a poster had a BMI of just over 25 who was told to just get WLIs. What happened to them being for those who are obese?
Is this the way things are going now? Gained a few pounds over Christmas or on holiday? Just inject and don’t worry about it!
Anybody going against the grain of weight loss injections is often accused of being jealous. It’s a bit cult like on some threads as though WLI are the only valid way to lose weight and you’d be foolish to try any other way because “diets don’t work” and just adopting a healthier diet and lifestyle is laughable; a fool’s game and you’ll end up fat again. Well, yes, if you go back to your old habits, just like any method of weight loss.

Just a bit of a rant really on this sunny Tuesday!

It’s precisely because I have always maintained a healthy BMI I am in a position personally to attest to what that involves.

I didn’t actually make this claim: a formerly obese person who hasn't been doing enough exercise isn't going to be able to stay a normal weight without addressing that . I never said that.

Because she is the one doing the asking/talking about HERSELF.

Not just expressing uninvited & speculative opinions about strangers medication and weight loss choices.

I'm not sure I can explain it any other way, sorry.

It’s precisely because I have always maintained a healthy BMI I am in a position personally to attest to what that involves.

Indeed. And I, as a lifelong moderate alcohol user can personally attest what it's like to overcome alcoholism. Just drink moderately.

I don’t think that’s true at all - everyone gets hungry. I have been on diets I just don’t yo-yo diet and I’ve experienced food noise - generally when stressed - altho it can go the other way - I can’t eat & lose weight.

But being hungry is not the same thing as constant food noise. Not at all.

Don’t be daft now, that’s like saying as ive never taken drugs im in a position to say what that involves. You’ve no idea what that involves.

Exercise is not a key factor in alcohol metabolism. Alcoholics don’t generally go back to alcohol. So the analogy fails.

As i said, I’ve experienced both.

Everyone eats food daily.

"Everyone gets hungry" is not the same at all. I was eating as an activity, hunger played no role in that. I would hoard food for times when I could be alone and eat it, I would plan the day around where & when I could eat. There would be a genuine panic if I didn't have 'enough' snacks for the night time when the kids were in bed and I could eat in peace. I'd eat dinner and then have a whole pizza, family bag of crisps and a litre of ice cream. Easting past the point of fullness and pain. I obviously knew it was ludicrous, knew the damage and the outcome, but physically could not stop myself. And then would feel disgusting...until the next day when I'd do it again.

For someone who hasn't experienced that, you just can't explain the compulsion.

I had previously lost 7 stone 'naturally' and regained it all (and more) in the following 18months, but I became as obsessed with not eating food, as I had with eating it when I was bigger. I had to starve myself and was constantly miserable/stressed/obsessing. WLI have allowed me just to live like other people. Eat when I'm hungry, forget about food when I'm not.

It's not replaced eating healthy & exercising - I still have to do both to lose weight - it just makes it easy to do so without affecting my mental health.

You're not reading that thread in the context of the discussion I was having with another poster my own issues with weight loss.
You've misunderstood.

I can only go by what you said, which was "I don't feel as though the OP is making it any more of their business than any other contributor to this anonymous forum."

And I disagree - these people are having a discussion on a thread started by someone who is asking for advice. They aren't randomly speculating about people that haven't asked for advice.

um yes of course alcoholics struggle with remaining sober. And I am not talking about if exercise is a factor or not - I'm saying that a person who has not struggled with a certain issue probably does not have the secret solution based on their own experience. As they don't have the experience in question.

What did you mean when you wrote the below in reply to a person talking about obesity being a relapse disease then?

An uncomfortable truth unacknowledged here is that people regain weight after a dieting if they haven’t reformed their eating habits and addressed the mental and emotional drivers behind overeating... for others lack of exercise

Because if you were actually talking about weight loss in people who weren't previously obese, that's not got anything to do with the obese people being discussed. But if for whatever reason you still wanted to bring it up, would've been a good idea to define the group you meant.

So you've effectively just walked into a room, taken over a conversation and told me that I'm wrong despite not hearing what was previously said.
Please stop.

Another comparison I don't agree with 🙃

I can see the entire conversation and have even kindly highlighted the part of it that has lead me to the conclusion I made.

@Binus

I meant what I said - which was that if people haven’t addressed the drivers of being overweight - eating habits, exercise habits, mental & emotional issues etc they’re more likely to regain weight after dieting.

It doesn’t follow that: “formerly obese person who hasn't been doing enough exercise isn't going to be able to stay a normal weight without addressing that”
nor did I say that.

No you haven't. Can you please stop telling me how I feel. You're clearly passionate about the subject and that's great for you but that doesn't give you the right to tell me what I was discussing with someone nor do your emojis make it any lighter or your responses more clever. I won't be engaging with any more of your responses to me so a reply will be utterly pointless.

Actually you said they'll regain weight rather than being more likely to, which aren't the same thing. You're adding a new caveat.

And do you mean people in general or people who've been obese? Because again, these are different groups. What's true of formerly obese people doesn't necessarily translate to the general population, which is why we all need to be careful about our terminology and examples.

I can quite easily tell you what you were discussing, as you've posted it on a public forum, so it's all there to see. If you were having a conversation behind closed doors and I walked in, that would be entirely different as I'd have no knowledge what had been said, that's not the case here is it.

I literally put your own words in bold in my reply. I couldn't have been much clearer. I'm not sure where I've told you how you feel? Or made any comment at all on your feelings, I've just responded to the words you used and given my opinion on them. As per the general idea of a chat forum.

Your choice not to engage further, my choice to respond 😊

That comment was in response to the 80% figure who regain weight after dieting. Not everyone does. My recent comment “more likely to” takes into account the 20% that don’t.

At this point you’re just arguing for the sake of it.

Asking you what you mean, pointing out that you've moved the goalposts and wanting to know who you're actually talking about is not arguing for the sake of it. You've still not told us whether you were talking about everyone who loses weight or just people who've been obese. If the former, you haven't explained why that's relevant in a discussion about obese people, and if the latter you haven't explained why you brought up your own, never obese experiences.

And this is important, because people making evidence free claims about the need to address underlying problems, patterns, issues etc in order to prevent weight regain in people who've lost weight on WLIs is really common. It comes up in loads of threads, and you weren't even the first one to do it here. There's never evidence to back it up, and it's always vibes based. There seems to be something about the idea that jabs alone can't do the job that attracts some commenters.

@Binus And who is us? Is this the royal we? This isn’t even your thread.

The thread is not about obese people - altho that is clearly a personal preoccupation of yours - it’s actually about people accessing WLI outside medical guidelines and other natural methods of weight loss.

Anyone who loses weight faces similar challenges particularly if they’ve got into habits or experiences that have caused weight gain.

Some people have been slim most of their life then become overweight then obese; others have been overweight since childhood but don’t hit obesity and may lose weight when older. Some have eating disorders - either over or under for a period - then recover, some then go the other way. There are so many permutations of fat/thin across lifetimes,

Well at 58 I've been fat I've been thin I've gone to the gym and not, the only difference the gym ever made was aesthetics, never with the weight.
I was sick and tired of being a size 16,no matter what I did, so I took the mounjaro, it works because no matter what you do diet wise and gym wise it won't be enough, if your hormones are fucked mounjaro works to help regulate hunger hormones as well as helping you get rid of stored fat in the liver, it reduces inflammation and calms dopamine seeking, I can't do that without it.
I don't go to the gym, because at my age I can't be arsed, I don't feel any the less for it, I look great again now, and I'm doing it the healthy way, a dollop of mounjaro every week 😂I really don't care about what anyone else is doing, or the long term effects on them , none of my business, I've been on it a year lost 5.5 stone, and am a size 6/8, and I'll carry on.

There is a constant theme of fat people are stupid and lazy and a constant pointing out that unless diet and lifestyle changes then regain happens.

this ignores many things,

the fact that people who lose weight without medication nearly always regain it.
that this is a lifetime medication due to that and many people will stay on,
if they don’t, they can go back on if weight starts to come back
the drugs force you to eat a clean, healthy balanced diet, otherwise you are quite unwell. So limited sugar and too many carbs, not too much fat, and for most limited alcohol,
many many users fully understand the need for protein, it is no secret, they manage their macros.
many many fully under stand the need for strength training and build this in, sure some don’t and it’s foolish, but you can only lead a horse to water;
newrlh all fat people have tried every diet going, and been unable to lose or maintain loss. It is not as they don’t know how
the drugs don’t melt the fat off.

overall thid rather gleeful if you don’t change your diet and lifestyle you will regain is the same for every single person who loses weight, every one. The only difference with the meds is your forced to, and you can stay on a maintenance dose.

so it’s really not the gotcha folks hope it to be,