Just get mounjaro!

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The more threads I read, the more and more posters seem to respond with “just get mounjaro” for posters wanting to lose as little as 10 lbs to get within a healthy BMI. More traditional methods of weight loss appear to be out of fashion and as though you’d be foolish to do it the perceived hard way when you can just inject a drug.
I was reading a thread where a poster had a BMI of just over 25 who was told to just get WLIs. What happened to them being for those who are obese?
Is this the way things are going now? Gained a few pounds over Christmas or on holiday? Just inject and don’t worry about it!
Anybody going against the grain of weight loss injections is often accused of being jealous. It’s a bit cult like on some threads as though WLI are the only valid way to lose weight and you’d be foolish to try any other way because “diets don’t work” and just adopting a healthier diet and lifestyle is laughable; a fool’s game and you’ll end up fat again. Well, yes, if you go back to your old habits, just like any method of weight loss.

Just a bit of a rant really on this sunny Tuesday!

Good post.

I'd also point out, as it's not always obvious to people who haven't been on a lot of WLI threads, that some posters on MN have stated they're jealous about WLIs. There are obese people who can't afford them privately and don't qualify on the NHS, for whom it's exceptionally bleeding obvious and justified why they'd be jealous. I really hope they can get access soon.

Then there are also people who don't meet the prescription criteria but have to work hard at their weight and feel jealous they can't access them. I know logically that doesn't make sense because they're still better off than an obese person, but people don't always think of things in this way. I'm pointing this out because sometimes people think if something doesn't make sense to them, it can't be happening. But we have so much cultural baggage about weight. I think good starting point is to expect that there's going to be a wide range of perspectives.

Oh they are that blind to the facts!

People have some agency, sure. There's also no getting round the fact that humans didn't evolve to live in conditions where whole populations have access to more calories than they need for entire lifetimes. And that there's not one example of such a population not getting fatter once the numbers of people regularly taking the appetite suppressant nicotine drops off. Whatever agency exists is evidently not enough, and that's even before considering the impact of the food industry's worst products. I'm wary of assuming those are the root cause of all obesity, but they appear to be at least a factor for some.

So that does bring us back to the question of what psychological and lifestyle support is going to help stop humans exhibiting a behaviour we've evolved for.

Diabetes is life shortening so risk reward ratio is favourable. Being a BMI of 25 is healthy so you'd be pretty dumb to expose yourself to nasty MJ side effects to get thin.

To make money. That's why.

I’m not ill informed, don’t be so bloody rude. I’m not suggesting for one moment that these meds shouldn’t be used for weight loss where obesity is putting people at risk. I’m simply passing on information given to my DH when he was prescribed Mounjaro for diabetes. He asked about the risks and was told that the risks of long term use weren’t known, but that the health risks for diabetes far outweigh the risks of taking WLI. Undoubtedly exactly the same can be said for those severely at risk from obesity, but what we’re talking about here is people who use it to lose a few pounds and actively mislead prescribers to get it. Not the same thing.

This.

The NHS doesn’t have the funds to set up the number of weight loss clinics required to address the sheer scale of the obesity problem. But essentially what you outline is I think that’s roughly what would be required to optimise weight loss outcomes long term.

For people with drug or alcohol problems AA and NA is a standard accessible (non-medical) treatment. Yet Overeaters Anonymous seems to have less visibility and a lower uptake comparative to the volume of candidates.

Nope. I clarified what l meant. Not blind to the facts and not ill informed.

So some pharmacies are starting an in person clinic. Online there's a lot of support from doctors and pharmacists alongside different programmes that people can opt in and out of etc...

For example a 10 week diet plan alongside the jabs.

And you appear to be incapable of reading as l clarified what l meant fairly quickly.

That’s not even a fact.

I think that @Reliablesource was quite clearly responding to the OPs second post where she stated that "they’ve been used for a long time for diabetes but this a new use so I can understand people saying the long term effects are not known when used for weight loss instead of diabetes."

The comment wasn't about long term effects for those who are using WLI at a healthy weight to lose weight, rather it was about the long term effects for those using WLI for weight loss in general. As in, those who are being legitimately prescribed them and are not at a healthy weight to begin with.

What’s not a fact ? I was talking about weight loss in the context of the thread - people lying about their BMI to lose a few pounds. WLI’s are not without risk, so the benefit has to outweigh the risk - hence the use of BMl to determine eligibility. If you’re a healthy BMI your risk to benefit ratio is higher.

You can’t get Mounjaro if you are not obese unless you lie or get it on the black market. I think that’s what’s pissing people off. Why would anyone suggest it as an option for someone who’s not overweight but wants to lose 10lbs?

I was referring to the pp being quoted as “fact” saying obesity was the no 1 cause of cancer.

It’s not - it’s the 2nd preventable cause of cancer after smoking.

The posts of yours that I’ve seen I agree with.

But why? Why does it piss them off?

Why is there posters like @Hereforthecommentz calling obese user “lazy” because her DH didn’t use them?

Honestly, the hate for users is ridiculous!

I don’t hate alcoholics or prescription drug abusers.

I'm concerned, I have a daughter. I don't want her growing up in a society where she feels pressured to be stick thin because all her friends/celebrities/neighbours etc are on the jabs. It's not healthy for people who are clearly not obese. There are lots of stick thin celebrities at the moment who obviously didn't need to go on them but have and have taken it too far. Some are painfully thin and look unwell. I think we should all be concerned about the rise in skinny culture and people lying to access drugs that they have no medical need for.

That’s not entirely accurate. You can get it legitimately with a BMI of 27 if you have a weight related health condition. There are a few legitimate pharmacies and clinics that will prescribe off licence to people with a BMI between 25 and 27.

Now the OP claims it’s just over 25… 🤔

So it was just a goady post?

Ah ok I stand corrected..

You've literally no idea how much effort it takes when using WLI to lose weight!

You really have no idea.

I did need the medication to have a consistent and continued weight loss. Where I didn't feel constantly hungry and miserable. A weight loss that allowed me to exercise again. I felt normal again, like I had throughout my 20s and early 30s, before I started gaining weight. It was clear to me from the moment I took it that the weight gain and failure to lose weight was not a lack of will power or moral failing, there was actually something wrong with me that this medication fixed. It was like a cloud had lifted. I've never been one for dessert, sweet stuff or processed foods but I had developed an insatiable appetite that I couldn't fix and no amount of food satisfied it. On the medication, and now off them, I can eat my meal and be done. I just don't think constantly about my next meal.

I agree the rise of skinny culture is worrying, but that isn't a reason to deny people a medication that works and makes them healthier.