Just get mounjaro!

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The more threads I read, the more and more posters seem to respond with “just get mounjaro” for posters wanting to lose as little as 10 lbs to get within a healthy BMI. More traditional methods of weight loss appear to be out of fashion and as though you’d be foolish to do it the perceived hard way when you can just inject a drug.
I was reading a thread where a poster had a BMI of just over 25 who was told to just get WLIs. What happened to them being for those who are obese?
Is this the way things are going now? Gained a few pounds over Christmas or on holiday? Just inject and don’t worry about it!
Anybody going against the grain of weight loss injections is often accused of being jealous. It’s a bit cult like on some threads as though WLI are the only valid way to lose weight and you’d be foolish to try any other way because “diets don’t work” and just adopting a healthier diet and lifestyle is laughable; a fool’s game and you’ll end up fat again. Well, yes, if you go back to your old habits, just like any method of weight loss.

Just a bit of a rant really on this sunny Tuesday!

It's been a life changing drug for so many people, it's understandable they recommend it.

The more cult-like aspect seems to be the people who are anti MJ, with no skin in the game but furious regardless.

Why would anyone be furious about them? I’ve not seen any evidence of that. Some posters have expressed concerns because as a weight loss drug they are new. Yes, they’ve been used for a long time for diabetes but this a new use so I can understand people saying the long term effects are not known when used for weight loss instead of diabetes. I think they will have other uses in time. Some posters have said it helps their ADHD symptoms for example.

MJ hasn’t been revolutionary for me so I have no particular skin in the game, but I mostly see posters criticising those who take it who weren’t obese to start with. And of course all the naysayers who jump on it being a lazy option.

How can you “ just get Mounjaro “ with a BMI of 25 ?
Do they lie on their application? Isn’t that dangerous (I thought your GP had to be informed ?
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Im within healthy BMI but upper end and would love to lose a few pounds . Trying hard but nothing shifting so guess i’m stuck with it as I understood MJ isn’t an option for people like me ?

A few pharmacies have lowered the BMI to 25 to prescribe it off label.

I do agree it should not be a catch all. It should be a treatment for serious weight issues that for various reasons are less responsive to non-mediated diet – be that psychological, mobility issues, other medical hindrances etc.

I don’t say this because I believe people should ‘work for it’ – working hard to lose weight can be very miserable. I say this because the jabs treat the symptom, not the cause, of weight gain, and it would be far more beneficial, for the true longterm, if food noise could be tackled in a way that didn’t simply temporarily medicate it out of you.

I’m certain there are those that have permanently changed their relationship with food while on jabs. That’s great, but I think it’s a minority. The current data shows that it’s a minority. Therefore a more careful approach to prescribing them should likely be employed.

Where are people getting it from if their BMI is as low as 25?! The standard is your BMI has to be at least 30 I thought? Unless you’ve been on it before or you have a certain health condition?

What I can’t get my head around is when critics of Mounjaro say it is safe to use for diabetes but maybe not for weight loss. If the drug is safe, it is safe! Your body doesn’t know what you are taking it for.

Also don’t understand the obsession that some people have with WLI who don’t need or plan to take them. What’s it got to do with you whether other people want to use them?

I haven't seen many people recommending it for those who have normal weight or are just slightly overweight. I am using a weight loss drug currently but I am definitely obese. I am eating in a healthy way alongside it and I have no intention of staying on it for any longer than I need to be.

Any info on how these pharmacies are? (Asking for a friend obvs) 😉

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/weight-loss-injections/5503789-med-express-now-advertising-to-bmi-25

I think it used to be 35, or 30 with co-morbidities.

Regardless, I’m under the impression that most people just lie on online prescriber sites. My boss just filled out a form, stating she weighed more than she did and she received them. I think more are clamping down on this, but it certainly became very easy to simply get them if you wanted.

Voy is one and Med Express are doing it too now.

Medical safety is often a benefits outweigh costs label though. That’s going to look different for someone with diabetes compared to someone with no co-morbidities.

@ didimum.

"... I say this because the jabs treat the symptom, not the cause, of weight gain ..."

You might find you're wrong about that statement. There is evidence to suggest GLP-1s work on the brain as well as the gut.

The following is an extract from The Guardian.

The former head of the US Food and Drug Administration, David A Kessler, writes in his recent book Diet, Drugs and Dopamine, “the fact that the new anti-obesity drugs are highly effective underscores the fact that being overweight or obese is not a product of lack of discipline or willpower”. If a drug can target it, “it is instead a matter of biology”.

I think some people who post to say just take a WLI are just ignorant of the facts of who would be able to access them and what they are actually for. Or it’s a thoughtless comment that doesn’t really engage with the content and context of the thread. I don’t think it’s evidence of any kind of trend that “traditional” weight loss approaches are somehow out of fashion. They don’t work, for the vast majority, so I think the genuine enthusiasm for WLI is because they are extremely effective at what they are designed to do.

I would recommend WLI to someone who was obese and who was clearly struggling to lose weight, because they are clearly the intended user of these effective medications.

People just buy it online and lie about their weight and if needed send fake photos in. It's not hard. Plus there are clearly people who will prescribe it regardless. How do all the celebs get their hands on it otherwise?

I just went through sign up on a WLI website and was offered both Wegovy and Mounjaro within 5 minutes. I just said my weight was 15kg more than it is. Could choose if my GP was informed or not.

I agree OP. Great drug for those who genuinely need it. I have seen people on here encouraging posters to lie about their weight (one thread had a girl who was 10 stone and held her dog when on the scales so she appeared heavier than she was - many posters were congratulating her on her weight loss 🙈). People seem to be completely ignoring the potential side effects and the medical advice that it is for people who are over a certain BMI and requires a prescription. Unless you have a medical degree then you should not be on the internet encouraging strangers to take a drug that you have no medical training to advise about. So negligent. I also see very few people now just celebrating normal bodies. Before advice would be about healthy choices, exercise and accepting your body. I'm a size 12, have had 2 kids and heading into perimeopause. 5 years ago I would have been told to celebrate my body, I've birthed 2 humans, I am strong etc now society is telling me that we should all be stick thin with frozen faces and it is so damaging to self esteem and body image. We should be celebrating different body shapes and sizes. I have a daughter and I do worry about this obsession with weight and looks that we all seem to have reverted back too.

It's not new that society has been telling women to look one way or another, it's endless and WLI are one variety of this age old message. It's not unique behaviour as a result of these medications being available.

Why are you bothered about how people choose to lose weight? It has absolutely no impact on you whatsoever. A classic case of mind your own business. Weight loss and health is between a person and their medical provider.

Obviously obtaining the drug illegally is a concern. But you have no idea why people want to lose weight. It's not always just about how they look. Getting healthy and active shouldn't be discouraged and if jabs help somebody to do that, there's no problem. Pressure to diet to look a certain way should be a concern.

Well that’s not true at all is it.

Digoxin is safe in heart failure but not for a healthy heart because it stimulates it. Drugs for high or low bp are only safe for high or low bp.

These jabs are safe for diabetics to increase insulin production, reduce glucose produced by the liver, slow digestion and manage weight, which together lowers HbA1c. If you don’t have diabetes what will their effects be long term?

People can't stand to see overweight people doing well. It says more about them than anything else. Overweight people can't win...

don't lose weight = fat and lazy
loses weight with the aid of a jab = still not good enough.

It's the result of a fatphobic society and the general hatred by some towards those who are overweight. The very thing they're scared of becoming themselves because they think overweight people are of less value.

An obese body isn't a healthy body

I’m overweight and working on it (a stone so far) I can’t have the WLI’s for medical reasons and it does my head in, yes I need to lose weight, no, I can’t just go on Mounjaro