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Another school stabbing- Embarrasing

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Netcurtainnelly · 11/03/2026 12:40

https://news.sky.com/story/teenage-girl-stabbed-at-school-police-say-13517653

Total embarrassment now.
Is anyone ever going to get a grip on this?

Has anyone become nervous or their children about going to school?

There was one the other day too. Boy was injured.

Teenage girl stabbed at school, police say

Officers were called to Thorpe St Andrew School, near Norwich, on Wednesday morning following reports a girl had been stabbed.

https://news.sky.com/story/teenage-girl-stabbed-at-school-police-say-13517653

OP posts:
FreshInks · 11/03/2026 13:40

MermaidofRye · 11/03/2026 13:35

If you do it in your lunch-hour-nothing.

If you do it in time when someone else is expecting you to work, has paid for your time, isn't paying you to do your own wash, then everything.

If you don't know that then you are part of the problem.

It's dishonest. There, another word for you to tangle with. Enjoy!

The parents are to blame here. What the hell are they doing, or not doing, that results in children behaving like this?

B0D · 11/03/2026 13:42

I’m interested what people think the alternative is to the “parenting crisis” or current culture of disrespect and entitlement vs apathy or reluctance to intervene, and what are we aiming for in a better or acceptable society. Do we think that going back to the era when kids were caned or hit in school (in my school) or when members of the public gave misbehaved kids a clip round the ear?
Im curious, as I don’t think we do, and where was the sweet point between then and now, if there was one?

FernandoSor · 11/03/2026 13:43

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I do look around me - and I see a mostly peaceful, low crime country, an experience which seems to be backed up by the statistical evidence available. But that's just my lived experience, I'm sorry if yours is different.

MermaidofRye · 11/03/2026 13:43

FreshInks · 11/03/2026 13:40

The parents are to blame here. What the hell are they doing, or not doing, that results in children behaving like this?

I've deleted this reply as I mixed you up with another poster. Sorry!

FreshInks · 11/03/2026 13:50

B0D · 11/03/2026 13:42

I’m interested what people think the alternative is to the “parenting crisis” or current culture of disrespect and entitlement vs apathy or reluctance to intervene, and what are we aiming for in a better or acceptable society. Do we think that going back to the era when kids were caned or hit in school (in my school) or when members of the public gave misbehaved kids a clip round the ear?
Im curious, as I don’t think we do, and where was the sweet point between then and now, if there was one?

We don’t need to go back to physical punishments.

Parents need to monitor behaviour and warning signs, set clear boundaries about violence, know who their DC are spending time with, talk openly about emotions ie how to deal with anger or peer pressure, work with teachers/school

HappyFace2025 · 11/03/2026 13:52

Shocking yes, embarrassing no.

jen8556f · 11/03/2026 13:59

B0D · 11/03/2026 13:42

I’m interested what people think the alternative is to the “parenting crisis” or current culture of disrespect and entitlement vs apathy or reluctance to intervene, and what are we aiming for in a better or acceptable society. Do we think that going back to the era when kids were caned or hit in school (in my school) or when members of the public gave misbehaved kids a clip round the ear?
Im curious, as I don’t think we do, and where was the sweet point between then and now, if there was one?

No I don’t think it needs to go back to physical punishment, I never had physical punishment as a child, but I was scared of my parents and behaved well until I was old enough to choose to behave well. They could get angry, they would shout, we had strict and clear rules, I was taught to respect authority be that teachers, police etc, they didn’t need to ‘earn’ my respect it was ingrained in me. I’m the same with my kids and they’ve never had so much as a detention. I know we are much stricter than their friends’ parents, people seem to be scared of not being their child’s friend. Children need boundaries.

Another2Cats · 11/03/2026 14:01

Just coincidentally, The Times are reporting that this is the same school where pupils were chanting anti-semitic insults at the pupils of a visiting school during a football match:

"Police said the incident was not believed to be linked to a hate crime reported at the school last week, following reports of allegations of antisemitic chanting during a football match involving a Jewish school."

Newusername0 · 11/03/2026 14:06

MermaidofRye · 11/03/2026 13:35

If you do it in your lunch-hour-nothing.

If you do it in time when someone else is expecting you to work, has paid for your time, isn't paying you to do your own wash, then everything.

If you don't know that then you are part of the problem.

It's dishonest. There, another word for you to tangle with. Enjoy!

What about when I’m at work and I ask a colleague how her weekend was, is that dishonest because I’m stealing company time?

SoICrawledThroughTheCatFlap · 11/03/2026 14:07

MermaidofRye · 11/03/2026 13:23

It is shameful for the country because as a country we have reached a stage where parents are unwilling to take responsibility for a child's bad behaviour.
Small breaches are tolerated until in the end much more serious breaches will out and that is what is happening.

As a society, not all of us but collectively, we tolerate road rage, shoplifting, putting on a wash in working hours, not saying anything when we see bad behaviour in the street-even if it is something as small as reprimanding someone for dropping litter.

Children excused for things they should not be excused for, such as being cheeky in class and a police force who seem to give the appearance of not wanting to attend to smaller crimes.

In the end, it all breaks down and yes, @Netcurtainnelly you are right to feel ashamed of the country and the mess we have allowed.

It is down to all of us because in tiny incremental steps, we have allowed it to happen.

You consider putting a wash on during working hours as something to be 'tolerated'
What?

Knife crime is dire in the UK.
My city has seen a rise in teenage girl violence, some using knives.
All schools maybe need a scanner 🤷🏻‍♀️

MermaidofRye · 11/03/2026 14:20

Most holes start with a small crack and those small cracks are often tolerated until they're a fucking big hole.

We used to have a high trust society and now we don't-why do you think that might be.

It does seem bizarre that grown adults cannot grasp the concept that massive changes to society starts with little ones.

Never mind, I'm not here to educate the hard of thinking.

Pedallleur · 11/03/2026 14:23

Girl gets stabbed. It's not even headline news really but just another day where a woman or girl is attacked. That it continues to happen on such a regular basis is both embarrassing and horrifying

MissMoneyFairy · 11/03/2026 14:29

The parents are the only ones who should be embarrassed but many don't care anymore and have no control over their kids anyway.

FlayOtters · 11/03/2026 14:35

EmeraldShamrock000 · 11/03/2026 13:11

It’s awful. The world has gone mad, young people who thankfully don’t have access to guns are opting for the blade. It’s all over Europe. Knife crime has skyrocketed in Ireland too, it seems normal to see some mad f*cker carrying a knife down the street.
Young teenagers in gangs carrying serious weapons in their trousers.
There was a time when I’d call out bad behaviour, not these days.
Talking about tragic violent crimes, those poor people burnt to death by a psycho drenched in petrol on the coach.
Life is genuinely scary these days, it is not if, it’s when more violent crimes will happen.

there has literally been a decrease in just about all violent crime including stabbings in the last year - and that is a consistent decrease over the last decades. It appears there is more violent crime because we are all constantly on our phones and hearing about it, but the statistics just dont back up your points

LakieLady · 11/03/2026 14:40

Netcurtainnelly · 11/03/2026 12:48

I think the country has become an embarrassment over stabbings.

I think so too. I also think it's an embarrassment that children aren't safe in UK schools. I just thank god that we have gun control, and that hopefully will never have a Columbine situation.

Maybe schools should have knife arches at the entrances.

fndshalom · 11/03/2026 14:48

30 years ago I worked for a large unitary authority for the education department. My role was mostly around liaising with families when their school child was at risk of permanent exclusion. Sometimes the child actually was excluded despite lots of support. Long story short in ten years there was just one boy excluded for bringing a knife into school and threatening another teen. I can remember everyone’s shock and this was a rough area. Now it’s a regular occurrence. It’s terrifying

TheRuffleandthePearl · 11/03/2026 14:48

VivienneDelacroix · 11/03/2026 13:23

Embarrassing suggests that there is something happening which sets us apart from other countries and shows us up?
The latest available figures show this isn't the case at all? Even compared to other European countries we don't seem to have "embarrassing" rates.

But it's the rhetoric that Trump et co like to float around - Britain is some knife-crime addled mega ghetto - despite the US having far higher rates than us (and that's just knives, ignoring their exorbitant gun death rates - which IS embarrassing considering they only have to look to other countries for examples to see how this can be tackled).

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country

Thank you for a sensible post. Yes there will be small areas of the country where there are more frequent stabbings. But there are vast vast parts of the UK that have very little to no knife crime at all and no need at all for parents or kids to be worried.

Why does the whole country need to be embarrassed over the actions of a tiny tiny number? It’s nonsense.

Bitsandbobs2 · 11/03/2026 14:49

Very sad, however - not surprised at all. We live in "bad" area and my child goes to "bad" school. And I'm not surprised teachers leaving or going for sick leave, we already have 5th teaching assistant this year. I know some of you won't agree, but parents are to blame. When dad screaming on teacher "how dare" she can discipline his son for punching 3 different students in one week- two years later I'm expecting him to be on BBC news, complaining about the "system" as his child was upset and stabbed someone. I would never believe that teenager can stab out of nowhere. No, it takes YEARS for this kind of behaviour to build up.

LakieLady · 11/03/2026 14:50

ERthree · 11/03/2026 12:53

Not shocked at all. We have a generation who have been raised to do as they please. There is punishment at home nor at school. We have made our children entitled. They truly believe nobody has the right to chastise them.

I don't think it's an entire generation, tbh. I've never heard of anything like it happening at the local comp, or the next 2 nearest ones that some of the local kids have to go to.

But then I live in an affluent small town in a rural area in the SE,and it has a very low crime rate. There are plenty of similar places across the UK, I'm sure.

I suspect it's a different matter in my nearest city, which is much less affluent and has more social issues generally.

Octavia64 · 11/03/2026 14:54

wishingonastar101 · 11/03/2026 13:30

It's not the schools fault. It's not the teachers fault. it's not social media or rap music or computer games.

It's the parent's fault.

I’ve done 1:1 teaching with kids excluded from schools due to this sort of thing.

usually it is because they live in an area that has a lot of violence and they are exposed to it. Often gangs or county lines sort of stuff.

The parents are usually by this point either:

desperate and cannot cope and asking for help
or have shipped the child off to granny or aunties to get them away from the violent environment
or are working all the hours god sends to try to keep food on the table.

there’s very little help from SS these days and if your kid gets involved with drugs or gangs you are pretty fucked and way way beyond parenting classes.

there used to be youth workers who would try to keep kids off the streets and reduce gang involvement but that all went over a decade ago.

BrendaThePoodle · 11/03/2026 14:57

I feel like a lot of parents don’t talk to their kids.
I was chatting to a friend recently who is a nurse in A&E and she was giving 2 brothers a stern talking to and she told me (obviously Im paraphrasing) how she told these boys that not only could they be dead, but someone else’s precious child could also have died due to their messing around with things they shouldn’t. She said their parent wasn’t showing any engagement with her dc or even the discussion. She kept wondering off for phone signal to use her phone.
My DC had a friend over recently and he was very sweet but basic manners non existent, it was like he just hadn’t encountered them, because he would be the type to use them.
Parenting is very hard and we live in times of such stress so I appreciate we don’t always have times to drill things into our kids.
But manners, safety, right from wrong, treat others as you’d like to be treated, all the bare minimum do need to be taught.
My DC many years ago now and his friends planned a day out, most of the school year attended. They went the beach. Im not stupid, Im sure loads too alcohol or weed, but the kids arranged it themselves. They were strangely (unless times really have changed hugely since my school days) were as a whole year group close. During lockdown 1 a genius managed to make a whole year chat and they used to watch movies together. No idea how Im too old. They had a lads group chat where the idea was “no lad left behind” and even quiet kids were talking in there and the girls had a group chat based I believe on them all watching love island together. Anyhow they plan this beach day and word gets out, 2 kids from another school show up and stabs a child from my son’s school.
The child thankfully was fine physically. But the parents of the children who attended the event they all arranged were dragged on social media. Why did we allow our children to all go out in a group? What did we think was going to happen?
Well considering that our kids have managed to effectively set up groups amongst themselves during lockdown to keep spirits up, the fact that “popular” boys were sending messages to the lads chat saying if anyone needed to talk or were struggling to DM them. The fact the girls would arrange group sessions to watch TV together or cheering one another on to do their 10,000 steps by dancing or doing tiktok dances in their gardens, i didn’t think it was a group of kids that I had to worry would take knives to the bloody beach. And I was right, it was kids from another school who did. Same kids from the same place knife crime is high. And the difference is that school has kids from poverty, parents are often struggling with active addiction, just cycles of generational trauma and families that embody the spirit of the tv show shameless. I grew up on the estate the kids who showed up with knives are from and it was hard 20 years ago, now it’s harder. These kids are left to roam the streets from early childhood, the houses are full of rubbish in the front gardens, stinks of weed everywhere, full of dog shit. I went back recently to visit my aunt and went the shop for her, kids outside looking terrifying and I asked one was his mum such and such, he said yeah and I started a chat with them. Really nice lads. Just bored. The kids who’s mum I knew from growing up was sweet but was stood around swearing and vaping, but his mum was like that when we were kids, had him at 16 and just continued the cycle. Knife crime is an unbroken cycle of poverty. Kids having kids they weren’t equipped to parent. Bad choices, no money, poor education, poor food, lack of experiences (days out/holidays/even going to restaurants) These kids are getting addicted to smoking/drinking/drugs through sheer boredom and seeing their parents do the same. They don’t have outside influence and often don’t have dads or those do are witnessing DV. It is fucking embarrassing that we don’t have people forced to be better parents. We should be teaching parents how to enrich their kids lives, you’d not have a hamster without a wheel and a ball. Why are kids allowed to decay? They grow up and become a burden to society, they deserve so much fucking more and so do the parents. They deserve to know, just because their parents didn’t take them to places or nourish them correctly or they grew up in squalor, let’s not do this anymore. But it’s cheaper to keep the cycle running than it is to throw money at it because people will always need minimum wage jobs etc and the hope is these are the people who will take them, but often they don’t anyway. It’s people like me who need flexibility or aren’t smart enough for office jobs.
All the problems that we see with violence and knife crime are very rarely committed by someone who grew up with present and engaging parents who enabled a good childhood filled with experiences, conversation regularly and shown love and kindness.
Parents from areas of generational poverty could be given opportunities to expand on education, to have opportunities to learn to budget and cook, to have experiences with their kids such as group activities to the zoo/beach/theme parks. It would require active community centres, addiction help, classes for parents. But the outlay is huge but long term it would help tackling the problem of entire communities not working.

DdraigGoch · 11/03/2026 15:01

Pedallleur · 11/03/2026 14:23

Girl gets stabbed. It's not even headline news really but just another day where a woman or girl is attacked. That it continues to happen on such a regular basis is both embarrassing and horrifying

We still remain one of the safest countries in the world. Violent crime is at a 50 year low.

BrendaThePoodle · 11/03/2026 15:02

Octavia64 · 11/03/2026 14:54

I’ve done 1:1 teaching with kids excluded from schools due to this sort of thing.

usually it is because they live in an area that has a lot of violence and they are exposed to it. Often gangs or county lines sort of stuff.

The parents are usually by this point either:

desperate and cannot cope and asking for help
or have shipped the child off to granny or aunties to get them away from the violent environment
or are working all the hours god sends to try to keep food on the table.

there’s very little help from SS these days and if your kid gets involved with drugs or gangs you are pretty fucked and way way beyond parenting classes.

there used to be youth workers who would try to keep kids off the streets and reduce gang involvement but that all went over a decade ago.

My post directly under yours says almost identical. Shite really, isnt it?

VickyEadieofThigh · 11/03/2026 15:03

SoICrawledThroughTheCatFlap · 11/03/2026 14:07

You consider putting a wash on during working hours as something to be 'tolerated'
What?

Knife crime is dire in the UK.
My city has seen a rise in teenage girl violence, some using knives.
All schools maybe need a scanner 🤷🏻‍♀️

How long do you reckon it would take to get all children in a secondary school through a scanner?

EasternStandard · 11/03/2026 15:05

LakieLady · 11/03/2026 14:40

I think so too. I also think it's an embarrassment that children aren't safe in UK schools. I just thank god that we have gun control, and that hopefully will never have a Columbine situation.

Maybe schools should have knife arches at the entrances.

Yes stats on safety don’t help those who are victims of the knife crime nor their families. All dc should be safe at school.

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