Another school stabbing- Embarrasing

[Netcurtainnelly]

https://news.sky.com/story/teenage-girl-stabbed-at-school-police-say-13517653

Total embarrassment now.
Is anyone ever going to get a grip on this?

Has anyone become nervous or their children about going to school?

There was one the other day too. Boy was injured.

It’s awful. I can see you meant the thread title in another way.

How rude you are.
Just because I didn't say exactly the word you thought I should use.
In my opinion of course it's horrifying, but I still feel it's also embarrassing for the country.

This is not even a 'bad' area :(

Why is it embarrassing for the country?

This is down to the child, the child’s parents and the school. Don’t hold the country responsible for individuals being shits.

I think I know what op means.. it’s happening again and again, and there’s always the (as above) oooh it’s so rare… don’t start to panic..
The fact so much focus is put on the attacker “oh no! They must be so troubled.. they obvs need help! What do they want?”

It’s awful. The world has gone mad, young people who thankfully don’t have access to guns are opting for the blade. It’s all over Europe. Knife crime has skyrocketed in Ireland too, it seems normal to see some mad f*cker carrying a knife down the street.
Young teenagers in gangs carrying serious weapons in their trousers.
There was a time when I’d call out bad behaviour, not these days.
Talking about tragic violent crimes, those poor people burnt to death by a psycho drenched in petrol on the coach.
Life is genuinely scary these days, it is not if, it’s when more violent crimes will happen.

Let’s not mock OP for struggling to find the right word in what could be a new language for them.

I left teaching a couple of years ago after twenty years.

not clear it’s a stabbing with a knife - I’m an ex maths teacher and you might be surprised how many kids stab themselves or each other with compasses and the like.

that said my various schools have had kids coming in with knives at various points in my career. I don’t know if it’s more common than it was.

at one point I did 1:1 for kids excluded and lots were boys who had been violent and knives were often involved.

Do you mean ‘scalpel’ as in the thing used to cut into bodies? Used in biology?

There is a lot of very poor parenting and schools are loath to properly discipline teenagers. I live near a large secondary school and some of the behaviour I see as pupils walk to and fro is deplorable.

I suspect this one will come back to the Manosphere / online incel propaganda

Embarrassing suggests that there is something happening which sets us apart from other countries and shows us up?
The latest available figures show this isn't the case at all? Even compared to other European countries we don't seem to have "embarrassing" rates.

But it's the rhetoric that Trump et co like to float around - Britain is some knife-crime addled mega ghetto - despite the US having far higher rates than us (and that's just knives, ignoring their exorbitant gun death rates - which IS embarrassing considering they only have to look to other countries for examples to see how this can be tackled).

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country

It is shameful for the country because as a country we have reached a stage where parents are unwilling to take responsibility for a child's bad behaviour.
Small breaches are tolerated until in the end much more serious breaches will out and that is what is happening.

As a society, not all of us but collectively, we tolerate road rage, shoplifting, putting on a wash in working hours, not saying anything when we see bad behaviour in the street-even if it is something as small as reprimanding someone for dropping litter.

Children excused for things they should not be excused for, such as being cheeky in class and a police force who seem to give the appearance of not wanting to attend to smaller crimes.

In the end, it all breaks down and yes, @Netcurtainnelly you are right to feel ashamed of the country and the mess we have allowed.

It is down to all of us because in tiny incremental steps, we have allowed it to happen.

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Why is it embarrassing for the country? It's awful, and devastating when it happens - but it's only news because it happens so rarely. We have much lower rates of violent crime, including knife crime, than many other comparable nations.

You were called out on your use of language because declaring that Britain is an embarrassment on the world stage is a favoured tactic of the Britain-hating right and it's just a short pivot to the usual tropes about Britain having become a lawless backwater.

It's not the schools fault. It's not the teachers fault. it's not social media or rap music or computer games.

It's the parent's fault.

I’m just stunned that your first thought is that you find it embarrassing, rather than thinking of how devastating it is to the victim.

@MermaidofRye wait, what is wrong with putting on a wash in working hours??

Embarrassing?

If you do it in your lunch-hour-nothing.

If you do it in time when someone else is expecting you to work, has paid for your time, isn't paying you to do your own wash, then everything.

If you don't know that then you are part of the problem.

It's dishonest. There, another word for you to tangle with. Enjoy!

This is absolutely spot on 👌🏾.

Also @FernandoSor : as you are such a stickler for clarity, don't put two question marks after a question. You wouldn't put two full stops would you.

I point this out as you have made such a big deal about @Netcurtainnelly choice of word.

We all make mistakes-all of us- and I point yours out just so that you are clear that you do too.

It’s hard to find rates specifically for schools, but for murders committed by youths we rank better than Canada, Germany, Italy, and far better than the US. We’re only slightly worse than Spain, France, and Australia.

It’s awful, obviously. But I don’t think it’s an international issue where other countries are thinking our schools stabbings (of which there really are not very many) are akin to American school shootings or something.

Don’t mock them anyway if it’s not a new language. It’s just a quick title on mn.