To buy my first house two minutes down the street from traveller housing initiative?

[MelMar1]

Please give me advice.
I’m sale agreed on a new build house in Dublin . I found out that there is a new traveller housing initiative going in right across the road from me. Please don’t say I’m being snobby I’m really not. I’ve just heard stories of anti social behaviour etc. I know there’s always some lovely people but I’m nervous.

Do I give the house up because of this? It’s a substantial amount of houses for the traveller scheme all together - six very large detached four bedroom homes. It is two minutes walk from me. I drove up to the development to see and the traveller housing initiative is not in front of me directly as I thought. It is not in front of or behind me but about 2 minutes walk down the road. I can only see gable end of one of the houses from mine. Not directly facing.
I need to sign contacts in 2 days and I am so torn.
Otherwise it’s perfect house for me. With this information are you saying yes or no?

Hang on a minute, so 'JollyGreenSleeves' misrepresented a story to make it sound like teenagers launched an unprovoked attack on a Traveller, someone checked the story and found it was misrepresented, and it's that person who's in the wrong?

You guys are so deeply in denial, it's unreal.

My brother worked on reception of a hotel for years. Without a single exception over 15 or so years there was NEVER a wedding reception held by the travelling community that didn't erupt into mass damage and brawling, like who the actual fuck brings a machete to a wedding reception as standard?
There was literally hundreds of thousands worth of damage over the years and management decided to no longer take traveller weddings which led to massive payouts when the travellers would inevitably sue for discrimination. Management said it was still cheaper not to mention much safer for the poor staff who had to deal with these brawling travelling men and women.
I've passed by plenty of traveller funerals over the years that had a heavy garda presence, I wonder why that would be. Any ideas?

So he wasn't attacked for being a traveller, he was the aggressive instigator, interesting, any more to say on that matter @JollyGreenSleeves ?

I live almost a mile from a traveller halting site in a rural area, there can be no one there for months then 40 or 50 people , horses, dogs, vans etc will turn up.The dogs are trained to attack and I've never encountered such dangerous, difficult dogs.Police are there all the time but neighbours are terrified to report any issues.

What race are Irish travellers?

The dogs, oh my god, the dogs!

I’ve just remembered another instance with a family on our estate. They had two Alsatian’s, absolutely gorgeous but like you said, trained to attack, and let loose around the estate.

I was about 14 at the time and home on my own. Our little staffy could open doors (she was genuinely loved by all the neighbours who doted on her when she called ☺️). She came in that evening, laid on the couch beside me and I didn’t immediately understand why she seemed so lethargic, quiet etc. Then I saw blood seeping through the cream sofa fabric. Her entire stomach had been torn open.

I got my phone, went to close the door after her and call my mom, and I saw the 2 Alsatians in the garden, blood all over them.

Completely traumatising. She was my best little buddy. They threatened to burn the house down if we reported it to anyone, offered to pay the vet bill (then surprise, surprise didn’t) and we never saw those dogs again. God knows what happened to them.

(But my lovely girl survived and lived another 3ish years before cancer took her.)

I didn’t misrepresent anything- it’s a direct copy and paste from the link that I then posted. The boy was stamped on and kicked to death and racial slurs used. I haven’t read the whole trial transcript and haven’t checked what the other poster said. I was illustrating what happens when people have racist views and think a group of human beings are beneath them.

It’s really sad.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/3246518.stm

www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/jun/10/ukcrime.childprotection

You made it sound as though it was unprovoked attack motivated by the fact he was a traveler. Actually, the travelers started the violence. Obviously there were nasty, aggressive people on both sides here. But it's a stretch to say 'this is what happens when people have racist views and think a group of human beings are beneath them.' Would you be saying that if it was a boy from the other group who'd been killed?

Yet the detective in the case thought it was. Why are you so keen for it not to be? They used racial slurs- what more do you need?
This thread is full of racism- what is your point?

Provide the link you’re referring to. I can’t see anything that suggested he is anything but a victim.

They used racial slurs- what more do you need?

Clearly they were angry, violent kids in the middle of a fight. But they didn't start that fight, so it can't be called a 'racially motivated attack'.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/we-have-been-through-hell-2935949

Johnny died on May 28 this year after being attacked on a playing field in Lydden Road, Ellesmere Port. The 15-year-old, from Liverpool, had been in town visiting friends.

The judge, Mr Justice Richards, said the defendants had been crossing the field, sending text messages at the time. They met Johnny and his friends.

He added: 'Verbal aggression came from Johnny's group and it was them which first used violence. One of Johnny's friends swung at them with a plank. Johnny swung at McVeigh.

'Johnny's group then ran but Johnny tripped and fell to the ground. The defendants kicked him as he lay there, unable to defend himself, and he was rendered unconscious.' The judge said that, as part of the attack, McVeigh kicked Johnny to the head and stamped on his head, while Kearney kicked him in the face. He said Kearney played a 'secondary' role in this.

He told them: 'It isn't possible to say which of the blows inflicted by you caused the fatal brain damage.'

Mr Justice Richards also ruled out a racial motive for the attack, describing as 'unreliable' the evidence of one witness who claimed to have heard a racist remark made to Johnny.

He added that, as he was unsure who made a further racial comment at the end of the attack, neither defendant could be sentenced for any racist actions.

McVeigh has previous convictions from 2002 for possessing Ecstasy and having an air weapon in public, getting reparation orders for both.

Defending him, David Turner QC said: 'My client accepts he was responsible for causing the death of Johnny. But there was a lack of intent to cause him serious harm. These were impulsive actions. There was no racial element to the confrontation.'

Michael Scholes QC, for Kearney, said the incident was spontaneous and hadn't been pre-planned.

We have a travellers site about half a mile from us, it's been there years and there's never been any problems.

If you like the house don't let it put you off. People are far too judgemental based on they think they know rather than actual experience.

You used this case as a point to show he was killed in a racist attack, which he was not, the very definition of misrepresentation.
This did not happen because "people have racist views" it happened because a group of travellers decided to viciously attack a group of strangers. Maybe if these travellers see themselves as a different race to others then yeah maybe they could have had racist intentions when they started attacking those other guys with the plank of wood, good point.

Totally agree. But would like to add that they decided to viciously attack a group of equally vicious strangers. What happened here was abhorrent, but it wasn’t racially motivated, unless in the opposite way to how@JollyGreenSleeveshad represented it, traveller against settled person. It was violent thugs, fighting violent thugs, and a young boy lost his life.

I think there’s been plenty of experience shared here, don’t you?

If you buy this house, it’s for life because it will be IMPOSSIBLE to sell, you realise that?

Well that seems like the exception rather than the rule.

Speaking of funerals btw, these were my neighbours growing up. Grim, grim situation.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2024/0727/1461884-thomas-dooley-background/