To buy my first house two minutes down the street from traveller housing initiative?

[MelMar1]

Please give me advice.
I’m sale agreed on a new build house in Dublin . I found out that there is a new traveller housing initiative going in right across the road from me. Please don’t say I’m being snobby I’m really not. I’ve just heard stories of anti social behaviour etc. I know there’s always some lovely people but I’m nervous.

Do I give the house up because of this? It’s a substantial amount of houses for the traveller scheme all together - six very large detached four bedroom homes. It is two minutes walk from me. I drove up to the development to see and the traveller housing initiative is not in front of me directly as I thought. It is not in front of or behind me but about 2 minutes walk down the road. I can only see gable end of one of the houses from mine. Not directly facing.
I need to sign contacts in 2 days and I am so torn.
Otherwise it’s perfect house for me. With this information are you saying yes or no?

Only it’s not baseless though is it? Plus you’re adding in terms I didn’t actually use- although they also apply to posters on this thread so we’ll go with it. Using 4 exclamation marks doesn’t make your argument any stronger either. Nor does the fake outrage.

I’ll always call out racism when I see it. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make you right.

@JollyGreenSleeves would you be happy to buy a house and or live beside one of these camps? If not, why not?

Vermin, thieves, animals- that’s the language that has been used on this thread

Show me the post, and I'll report it.

It's indisputable that problems exist involving the behaviour of some Travellers - which is why dozens of people on this thread have advised the OP to steer well clear of that house. Almost nobody, even liberals, has advised her to go through with it. And that's not because we're all murderous Nazis. It's a reflection of reality.

To be honest, you calling the majority of people on this thread Nazis is the most extreme thing here.

Would you buy the house? Is there a way that you think it would be appropriate to talk about these issues?

@babylamb4lol wow and u wonder why you’re not wanted. Well why are u all the same, why can’t you live a civil quiet respectful life like the rest of us?

Yes, Irish Travellers are one of the 2 main groups (along with British Pakistanis) who would benefit hugely from a first cousin marriage ban.

Romany gypsies are not the same group as Irish Travellers, though there are commonalities.

Ethnically aren't they technically identical to other Irish people? I agree they have been a separate group since the 1500s.

Pp has said she's gypsy so presumably not an Irish Traveller but Romany. There are similar issues among some Romany re fighting etc though

This is amazing, 19 pages. Yet when we've tried to discuss the issues from the local hotels, housing migrants, or have tried to discuss why we are not phobic against a religion that sees us as property, we get deleted and the thread has 4 pages if lucky.
I've lived amongst settled travellers, it was after the crash of 2010. There's been no more issues, actually less, than the general population. It wasn't a great area tbh, the bar wasn't high. But unless you made it your business to mess with them, you wouldn't know that they were there. Except when there were parties, they go all out hiring fancy transport and dressing up. I think their dresses are fantastic.

Were Irish Travellers targeted by the Nazis? I thought they mainly live in the UK, which wasn't invaded ofc

There are loads of long threads criticising Islam, hotels,,migrants etc. I don't think they're mostly been deleted.

I am not opposed to any kind of person or group in our society. Genuinely.

However, you cant reason with gypsies like other people. If you have a dispute with one - they will all be after you. If you ever called the police - they would do nothing!

Theyre like the mafia.

Replace 'gypsies' with 'black people' or 'Irish people' and you'll see the problem with this (obviously racist) post.

If it was otherwise the right house, I wouldn't be too worried.

I lived in a flat with a settled traveller camp at the end of the street (probably about 50 yards away). No problems at all. By contrast some of the people in the flats were arseholes.

I could understand the concern if there was a field opposite where people regularly parked up in caravans. Mainly because of the disruption, and the fact that you don't know who's going to rock up. And, if I'm honest, the effect on house prices.

In all people's 'lived experiences' on this thread, there's very little to suggest settled travelling people are any worse neighbours than anyone else. Lots of 'I lived over the road from some travellers, and they were fucking awful' but (i) I bet you've lived near scuzzy non-travellers too and (ii) because the TC doesn't look especially different from most white western people, your decent neighbours could be from travelling stock and you'd never know. It's just people's biases coming out as prejudice.

And to the posters calling an entire ethnic group 'vermin' and 'animals' - honestly, as the law stands, rightly or wrongly, you are literally in hate crime territory.

You need to take a good hard look at yourselves because if you post this on FB, you could be in a world of shit. Someone local to me has been done for exactly this in the last few months.

@AStonedRose When the majority of the traveling community start to act responsibly then these opinions about them will subside.

Until then, they need to own their reputation.

I thought I was pretty clear.

“My experience is xyz, I would/wouldn’t buy the house.” - this is fine.

the post literally below yours says “u are all the sane”. - Racist.

why am I having to gentle-parent explain this to people? 😂

Johnny Delaney was an Irish Traveller; he was 15 years old when he was killed by a group of teenagers in Ellesmere Port, Cheshire.
• Johnny was attacked in a playing field and was stamped on and kicked to death, while witnesses heard the attackers saying “He deserved it, he was only a f*ing gyppo”
• His attackers were found guilty of manslaughter and cleared of murder. They were given 4.5 years. Judges are required to impose higher sentences if the incident is considered as racist, but in this case the judge ruled that it was not a racially motivated attack.
• Cheshire Police recorded this as a racially motivated incident using the MacPherson Definition: Any incident perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person.
• Patrick Delaney, Johnny’s father, fought to overturn the verdict and for the case to be investigated. He said “There is no justice here. As far as we are concerned it was a racist attack. I have lost my son for life. He didn’t deserve this.” Unfortunately Patrick died in January 2006.
• Irish Travellers are recognised as an ethnic minority group and are therefore protected under the Race Relations Act 1976.

wsh.wokingham.gov.uk/sites/schoolshub/files/2023-10/Out%20of%20Site%20Education%20Pack.pdf

And? You know travellers murder country people as well ya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Cameron_Blair

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-46544144

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/herald/traveller-is-now-the-chief-suspect-in-bog-murder/30586431.html

All sad articles- they’re not hate crimes are they? Or no indication that they are. Look at the sentencing disparity too.

Your reaction, ‘and?’ to reading about the murder of a 15 year old boy says more about you than I ever could.

So because they’re not legally classes as a hate crime, these murders aren’t as shocking? These families weren’t as devastated to lose their sons and fathers?

My ‘and?’ was directed solely at you, nothing to do with the awful murder of a 15 year old boy. I still don’t understand what possible point you could be trying to make. Unless it’s purely that that case is more ‘awful’ because it’s classed as a hate crime? Which is ridiculous. Murder is murder.