To buy my first house two minutes down the street from traveller housing initiative?

[MelMar1]

Please give me advice.
I’m sale agreed on a new build house in Dublin . I found out that there is a new traveller housing initiative going in right across the road from me. Please don’t say I’m being snobby I’m really not. I’ve just heard stories of anti social behaviour etc. I know there’s always some lovely people but I’m nervous.

Do I give the house up because of this? It’s a substantial amount of houses for the traveller scheme all together - six very large detached four bedroom homes. It is two minutes walk from me. I drove up to the development to see and the traveller housing initiative is not in front of me directly as I thought. It is not in front of or behind me but about 2 minutes walk down the road. I can only see gable end of one of the houses from mine. Not directly facing.
I need to sign contacts in 2 days and I am so torn.
Otherwise it’s perfect house for me. With this information are you saying yes or no?

Those who are bigoted yes.

There you go again.

Stating that anyone who is worried about buying a house near a community who are often well known for violent and anti-social behaviour, is simply bigoted just makes you look like a wind up merchant.

In fact I'll let you get on with your silliness because you've dragged me into it enough.

Actually it was a perfectly legitimate example.

There are multiple black men who rape and assault, much like there are multiple white men. The operative word being "men".

There are multiple travellers who don't commit crime, but the prejudice towards them because some do is bigoted and prejudice (and against the law).

What part of the above is difficult to rationalise. Bigotry is quite simple, despite your attempts to defend it.

@Betterbeanon78 you must be exhausted. All you have done on mumsnet in the last day is fight with posters on every thread you’ve been on.

I am quite energetic thanks.

Must be tiring trawling through other threads to deflect away from the topic at hand...i.e. bigotry.

There is no government protection that requires someone like OP purchase a house that she’s unsure about.

Are you in Ireland @Betterbeanon78?

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/equality/equality-act-2010/your-rights-under-equality-act-2010/race-discrimination

Not pointing fingers, but some people get their fun that way. Find a juicy subject where people feel strongly, take the position you know most won't agree with, and off you go - hours of entertainment!

Yes, it’s a matter of risk analysis though.

Very hard no from me.

Where did you deduce that from? People can do what they like.

I said the law protects the TC in Ireland from bigotry and discrimination (enforced robustly at that).

But if you want to publically air your views over there towards the TC, you better be prepared for the legal consequences.

I am with the law on this one. Most intelligent people are.

Most in the racist UK perhaps, and a few bigoted people in Ireland.

True, but with enforceable consequences similar to that of racial hate incidents.

Unless of course, the civil courts are in the wrong are they? When they awarded travellers compensation for being refused entry.

It’s all in the last day. Three threads… every single post angry and arguing. What a way to live!

What on earth do you mean by 'you must employ them and allow them into schools over there'. ?

Are you implying that traveller children are not allowed into schools in the UK, or are somehow deliberately discouraged from being there?

And as for 'you must employ them' well no-one has to employ anyone purely based on their ethnicity or protected minority status.

Edited to say: sorry, might have quoted the wrong person there!

are you British @Betterbeanon78 ?

Really? Bloomin heck, I dread to think what you’re angry and argumentative looks like! 😦!

No one is getting tied up in knots. People have simply shared their experiences of living next to members of the TC and what that has been like for them.

You're the one that is throwing around hateful terms like bigot and racist, and you’ve provided exactly zero evidence or justification that any of these comments have been bigoted. None. Zilch.

You seem to think that if you keep calling people bigots, that it will miraculously be true. It doesn’t work like that.

Form an intelligent argument and do better.

What even is your connection to Ireland or the TC by the way? What skin have you got in this discussion?

Keep digging.

I think you’re deluding yourself @Betterbeanon78. Unfortunately there is still much discrimination against the travelling community in Ireland, government measures notwithstanding.
It’s not a small minority of the population who wouldn’t purchase in OP’s situation. There is much work to be done and you are minimising the issues which doesn’t help anyone.

Has @Betterbeanon78 actually confirmed whether she is a traveller?

Exactly, there is no ‘protection’ like that in Ireland anyway. There is ethnic minor status in place, but that’s not some magical protection for a community where many many members are violent and break the law.

The vast majority of members of the TC don’t work regular jobs, so no one is obliged to hire them for jobs they are not interested in applying for to begin with.

No school in Ireland or the UK is turning traveller children away, so they don’t need protection from that over and above an average citizen anyway. Particularly given the majority of the TC generally pull their children from school after primary school anyway.

Sure, there’s been a few compo cases members of the travelling community have taken and won for being refused entry to bars, hotels etc. But that is not going to change the attitudes here of accepting functions like that, because they are statistically likely to end in fights, antisocial behaviour and damage to property.

Honestly, @Betterbeanon78is making very uneducated statements all over this thread, wrongly accusing people of being racists and bigots, and completely disregarding the awful experiences numerous people on this thread have had. Go find a hobby or something.

If you moved into a settled house then provided you just lived a quiet, law abiding, blameless life following the same rules the rest of us have to follow then I imagine most people would welcome you with open arms, actually.

If anyone wants anything 'burned at the stake' it's not individual people or whole ethnic groups of people, it's behaviours. The behaviours are the problem. Taking the view that it's okay to keep behave badly because people hate you anyway is never going to improve community relations, is it?

Ive seen that with the ponies and traps, going really bloody fast through the centre of Cambridge, a really busy road in the town centre. The poor ponies looked so young and skinny and must have been absolutely terrified with buses whizzing by on the opposite side. The lads driving them couldn't have been more than 12 or 13 and they clearly thought the whole thing was hilarious, thoroughly enjoying the shock and horror on the faces of everyone around.

I'm amazed they were not arrested, but then I guess if they are local the police probably get tired of dealing with the same issues over and over again, so just turn a blind eye.